Why not Phantasy Star?

[Lord Khyron]

It's alright Demon ^^<p>PSO can be played offline and fully enjoyed, that is the beauty of it!<p>Even in the DC days, you could enjoy it offline.<p>YS had the.. RAMMING SYSTEM XD<p>It was kick ass<p>Just like Alien Soldier's "Counter Force" on the genesis.

[Arkhan]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Lord Khyron</i><p>It's alright Demon ^^<p>PSO can be played offline and fully enjoyed, that is the beauty of it!<p>Even in the DC days, you could enjoy it offline.<p>YS had the.. RAMMING SYSTEM XD<p>It was kick ass<p>Just like Alien Soldier's "Counter Force" on the genesis. <br></blockquote><p>Another sweet Ramming system game, was Hydlide, and Super Hydlide.<p>Do da doo doo!! da do da dooo!!! do do do! da do da do do do!. that music is annoying after like, the 75th loop of it

[Malakai]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Demon Child</i><p>In responce to Arkhan and Malakai's posts: It's not fair to say graphics are the problem, it's that not many people want to change how things work with games. <br>It's probably true in reality, aside from the killing part, that they'll just avoid making something new. RPGs for example almost always have a moody person, a bimbo, a braindead muscle man, a perky kid, a halfway decent character that could have been better had he/she not been tossed into the trash game, an antisocial freak, and a quiet and innocent person all head off to stop some nut job from destroying/taking over the world.<br>There are a few lucky RPGs to break away from this, but how well known are they? Probably not well known at all, because the repeated crap gets plenty of advertising.</blockquote><p>I never said that graphics are the problem. Everything else is the problem, and the rising consumer isn't is stuck in a stasis field of buying all this eye candy and forgetting the rest, if they ever knew it existed. Story line? Plot? Character development? Critical thinking to solve problems and move on in the game? HARD BOSS FIGHTS? For heavens sake, NONE of this was evident in the media prostitute known as FFX-2 (that's just an example). Those are just nice thoughts that run through game programmers' heads, but are never really incorporated into RPGs anymore. Things have changed in RPGs, and it is mostly to the sorrow of old RPGers.<br>You are correct though, the media wants crap so that's what the companies will make.

[OpaOpaJr]

ya crazy people and all ya jibba jabba! beatin' a dead horse 'til it's paste. i tell you, makes you wanna go back to text based rpgs!<p>on another note:<p><blockquote><i>Originally posted by Arkhan</i><p>PSO Offline = fun. I played it that way first before diving into Online..............I prefer online while playing w/ people I know well..............Like on PSO PC, you can use KOTRTs IP Patch, and ShipServe, then play on a lan!.....its really fun that way.<p>The other thing, Graphics in games seem to be the newest thing that is required by gamers.......and the bulk of graphically pretty console games suck.......PC games are a different story, those are usually really fun all around.<p>How many people would still prefer playing Lunar 1 on PSX OR Sega CD...w/ the gimpy little 2d sprites and pretty backgrounds, VS. FFX where its a big flashy buncha hoohah......both can be beaten in about the same amount of time....which would you prefer?<p>Im glad Ys isnt stupided up!.....The gameplay has stayed the same, long live the HP bar....yknow? ...sure the new game has graphics that arent 16 bit.....but theyre not das uber like FFX and X2 tried putting out.....FFX had such a great theme to it, but it lacked in content ............<p>I still challenge people toplay through Ultima V if they call themselves hardcore RPers. The graphics were the least of the worry in that game.<br></blockquote><p>i like Lunar 1 on Sega CD more. the amt of items a person can hold, the certain cut sequences and atmosphere, overall a better exp for me. could be the crushing waves of nostalgia too.<p>i love Y's, bloody hard game as a kid. when kids were playing Zelda 1 on their NES I was playing Y's 1 on my SMS. Y's was the harder, and cooler, game for me... my poor thumbs.<p>as for all this PSO/PS talk. i just don't get all the disconnect. the way i see it is one of the palma ships crashed there on ragol (or maybe even a space coffin was made after settlers of a palma escape ship landed somewhere else in the galaxy, fought DF again, sealed it according to 'legend' (little do they know it being an Algol legend) and sent it away where it landed on ragol). and i see the pso civ as the remnants of another palma escape ship, but after millenia of being there and then now dying off and desperate for a new home. i doubt it's pre-algol, due to the untranslatable seal names (muutz, pomm, ditts... whatever, can't remember off the top of my head). but at least one of the endings of ps3 had them coming in contact with another ship right? been a long time, but i think in one plot line they shot down 1 and then in another ending they find one. so at least in one continuum there'd be at least 1 possibly 2 palma escape ships. who ever said they'd hang out forever, might've split up. besides who knows if ps3 had the whole story where DF destroys all but like 2 ships? perhaps another got away?<p>i just think of it as the story of a civ either birthed from algol's diaspora but forgotten after an extremely long time, or of a civ coming into contact with the dangerous remnants of algol's diaspora, or a cool mixture of both.<p>i think the message pods idea was pure genius. last thing i want, and others i know, from a dungeon crawl is some cut scene i have to watch. remember in AD&D arcade games how people would just blur past the text conversations, looking particularly bored? i think it was a brilliant compromise of introducing suggestive (not wholly explanatory, PS was not a series that was wholly explanatory, there was a lot of suggestion going on, and a lot of 'the world is so big, you aren't going to get the complete unadulterated truth' atmosphere to it) plot into what essentially is an action rpg which has online and party elements to it. the cut scenes in ep III was great because the gameplay invited room for such things.<p>i think PS accomplished something extraordinary. it keeps a continuing atmosphere/world/galaxy/universe/whatever while experimenting with wholly different RPG styles. to go from 3d dungeon turn based, to top-down dungeon turn based, to behind head 3rd person action rpg w/ party, to card-game strat rpg w/ party (somewhere in there PS gaiden and its text choice system has to fit too). to successfully do all that and not devolve into Chocobo Racing and essentially disconnected universes is truly remarkable.<p>what to do to fix its marketability? probably introduce a tried and true encounter based turn based RPG... with 3 minute long spells, endless cut sequences, mindless sidebattles as an excuse to lvl, hidden crap, mini-games, laughable plot-twists in essentially another run of the mill story, and presumably, if EGM is correct... breasts. if that's the only choice i'd prefer a Phantasy Star date-sim.<p>let the creators do what they want. for the most part they've made excellent games which stayed true to the spirit of Phantasy Star. when they start making land rover vs. sandworm kart racing, then get mad.

[Arkhan]

The AD&D arcade games rocked. I Beat the living hell out of the one like 12 times.<p>I beat Ys 1 originally for the PC....still hvae it on disk too but it doesnt work with XP.......damn lack of dos support!.....<p>*downloads DosBox*<p>Woo

[toee]

i used to go to the fair every year every day that i could while it was open to play the AD&D arcade games... put so much money into that thing... i was very sad when it didnt come back ... so i moved to House of the Dead... ah memories.

[Benoit]

<blockquote>Throwing a blanket statement over any state saying its full of fat people is wrong. Now shut up, or Ill drown you in maple syrup.</blockquote><br>Will you ever stop the attitude? You're not even a moderator, so you can't tell me to shut up. You don't even try to remain respectful. I know I haven't thrown insults all over the place.<br>Seattle is city. And if I'm saying the truth, I can say it.<br> <blockquote>I mean, look how quickly the sequel to FFX came out and look at how much it made.</blockquote><br>They originally planned just one game, but it was too big to fit in one. Look at how quickly they announced the sequel. It was planned all along.<br> <blockquote>PC games are a different story, those are usually really fun all around.</blockquote><br>Not true. There's plenty of crap on PC too. Not to mention the bugs.<p>The Hydlide games? Aren't you people a bit too affected by nostalgia? o_O

[OpaOpaJr]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Arkhan</i><p>The AD&D arcade games rocked. I Beat the living hell out of the one like 12 times.<p>I beat Ys 1 originally for the PC....still hvae it on disk too but it doesnt work with XP.......damn lack of dos support!.....<p>*downloads DosBox*<p>Woo <br></blockquote><p>loved those games in the arcade too! i still need to break down and get a copy for my saturn. i probably could just MAME it, but i also want a legit copy as well before i do that.<p>i need to play all the other Y's that i missed. i got the SMS one, and later in life bought the Y's II versions for TG16 and Turbo Duo, but i have no TG16 (let alone CD) or Turbo Duo !@#$ The others I haven't learned anything about, except falcon in the past few years released a compilation set that included, what, 1-5? 1-6? i forget. is there a place i can emulate at least Y's II and get the other games?

[PhanStar]

Phantasy Star is a great series. All the way from the first one, it's been really great. It's too bad that they handed the series to the Sonic Team, I feel they ruined a good thing. I've been playing Phantasy Star since the first one was released, I was 7yrs old at the time and this series has always been #1 in my book. When I saw PSO come out on the shelves for Sega Dreamcast... I couldn't believe my eyes. I got so involved in it, hopeing it would be something I remembered. It's not, it's nothing like the Phantasy Star series, only a few things are similiar.. but not enough to entitle it the name Phantasy Star. They could of done a way better job, but it seemed like they didn't spend a whole lot of time on this game. I mean,... common.. anyone remember sonic knuckles in Phantasy Star!? When I got that for a weapon in the game.... I thought that was stupid. Sonic Team promoting "Sonic" by giving players Sonic Knuckles for weapons. Also, if my memory serves me correctly,... the spells/magic isn't even spelled right in the game. I believe they used similiar if not different names for the magic .. rather than useing the traditional names in the regular game. Correct me if I'm wrong on that, it's been awhile since I played the game.. yrs... Also, I thought the story was weak.. 4 dungeons... and it seemed like all the lvls looked similiar with differances in their own way. Here's another thing, Double Bladed saber or whatever they called it. Thats a Star Wars rip off lol. What does that have to do with Phantasy Star? Anyone else remember these additions? Sonic Team seemed to want to cut corners when it came to creativity. If they would of just stayed true to the other 4 phantasy stars and used the content in those games, I would of been absolutely thrilled with the game. Granted, .. like others have said... if someone has never played the other 4 phantasy stars, they wouldn't know what I was talking about.. or even care for that matter. I feel that Sonic Team was handed a project and only did a mediocre job with it. That's all I have to say on that. On another note, I am really wanting to pick up a copy of that Phantasy Star Trilogy.. but I only see the import version for sale... How many times are they going to push the american version back? Makes me think if they are even going to release it here. Also... I think Final Fantasy was good, but I would have to agree with those that criticize it as well. I only thought Final Fantasy was good throughout the years , because it didn't have any "True" compitition. I used to look forward to Phantasy Star releases, but they stopped releasing them after 1994. So the only series I was "familiar" with was Final Fantasy, and so I was "forced" accustumed to a style of game play that Final Fantasy introduced every year or every other year. Yes there was Crono Trigger and Lunar, which I think are Great games themselves.. Lunar is another game that was really great... and then died off.. unfortunate. But back to the point I was makeing... Final Fantasy 3 is when I really started to like the series. Final Fantasy 6 was good too. As for Final Fantasy 7.... It's a good game in a sense.... no it's a great game in a sense.. but... it's great in it's own way, not like in the way that Phantasy Star was to me. Final Fantasy 7 was a great game because it was one of the first RPG's to draw people in with it's cinematic movies and a good story. I was in Jr High I believe when this came out, and all the kids were hyped about this game. It was a 3 disc game and one of the first great RPG's to come out on Playstation. I don't believe that it is the greatest RPG to ever dawn history though. I think it "slimed" it's way into that spot because it had no competition. I mean, this game was even dragging "mario" kids away... I remember. So to most of those kids.. this was their first true RPG. On a response to an earlier post: I agree that games have changed,... some for the good, and some for the bad. They honestly just do not make RPG's like they used too. The japanese are getting way too crazy with how they make RPG's recently. I mean look at FFX-2 .... I hated that intro... I can't even finish the game... I am forcing myself to play it... but now it sits on my shelf.. what were they thinking!? Yuna singing and in a band... makes me sick. My point is.. that the japanese are getting way too goofy in making games... it seems they can't make a RPG without having rediculous.. as I would like to call it "Disney" features in it.. like cute animals and weird characters that make you think wtf. Anyone else notice this? Why can't they make games like Lunar or Phantasy Star anymore. I would pay well over $100 for a release of a sequel to Phantasy Star that would live up to it's previous releases. They need to gather back the old team that created Phantasy Star 1-4 and make another one... get Sonic Team away from the series.. I mean wtf is PSO card revolution.. what a dumb idea... let's get back to the basics and lets stop trying to appeal to the pokemon/kid crowd. Sorry in advance if I offended anyone, I'm done ranting in this post. Thanks for takeing time to read.

[Monocromatico]

PhanStar, prepare yourself to be countered to death by Benoit, but I agree with every single word you said.

[ThePeaGuy]

PhanStar, I don't doubt the quality of your post, but when you write a long message like that the reader will find it difficult to read, so please use paragraphs in future.

[Arkhan]

<blockquote>Throwing a blanket statement over any state saying its full of fat people is wrong. Now shut up, or Ill drown you in maple syrup.</blockquote><br>Will you ever stop the attitude? You're not even a moderator, so you can't tell me to shut up. You don't even try to remain respectful. I know I haven't thrown insults all over the place.<br>Seattle is city. And if I'm saying the truth, I can say it.<br> <blockquote>I mean, look how quickly the sequel to FFX came out and look at how much it made.</blockquote><br>They originally planned just one game, but it was too big to fit in one. Look at how quickly they announced the sequel. It was planned all along.<br> <blockquote>PC games are a different story, those are usually really fun all around.</blockquote><br>Not true. There's plenty of crap on PC too. Not to mention the bugs.<p>The Hydlide games? Aren't you people a bit too affected by nostalgia? o_O<p><blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><p> <br>Will you ever stop the attitude? You're not even a moderator, so you can't tell me to shut up. You don't even try to remain respectful. I know I haven't thrown insults all over the place.<br>Seattle is city. And if I'm saying the truth, I can say it.<br> <br>They originally planned just one game, but it was too big to fit in one. Look at how quickly they announced the sequel. It was planned all along.<br> <br>Not true. There's plenty of crap on PC too. Not to mention the bugs.<p>The Hydlide games? Aren't you people a bit too affected by nostalgia? o_O<br></blockquote><p>Benoit you cry alot. Its not truthful, you cant prove it (your uncle saying so w/o you personally being there is a joke..), now effin' drop the damn deal. quit being a pansy. Effin' A., and btw my bad for saying state. I can tell you to shut up if I want to...you told me to drop my attitude, and you arent a mod., dont be a hypocrite lol...that isn't cool. <p>Also, what is wrong with Hydlide? It's fun....and a nice way to spend a few hours....could you just not beat it?...<p>[size=small][Edit by Arkhan on [TIME]1110381091[/TIME]][/size]<br><p>[size=small][Edit by Arkhan on [TIME]1110381222[/TIME]][/size]

[Benoit]

<blockquote>Benoit you cry alot. Its not truthful, you cant prove it (your uncle saying so w/o you personally being there is a joke..), now effin' drop the damn deal.</blockquote><br>As I said, I was WRONG. You heard that? WRONG. About Seattle.<br>And why can't I prove it? My uncle actually LIVES in Houston.<br> <blockquote>I can tell you to shut up if I want to...you told me to drop my attitude, and you arent a mod., dont be a hypocrite lol...that isn't cool.</blockquote><br>I didn't tell you anything. I asked you if you could drop it. Big difference.<br>And I'll ask it again: Can you please quit swearing like a 12-year old?<br> <blockquote>Also, what is wrong with Hydlide? It's fun....and a nice way to spend a few hours....could you just not beat it?...</blockquote><br>Don't take this as definite, I didn't play it. But a weight system sounds bad. o_O<br> <blockquote>I got so involved in it, hopeing it would be something I remembered. It's not, it's nothing like the Phantasy Star series, only a few things are similiar.. but not enough to entitle it the name Phantasy Star. They could of done a way better job, but it seemed like they didn't spend a whole lot of time on this game.</blockquote><br>You just feel that way because you had the wrong expectations.<br> <blockquote>I mean,... common.. anyone remember sonic knuckles in Phantasy Star!? When I got that for a weapon in the game.... I thought that was stupid. Sonic Team promoting "Sonic" by giving players Sonic Knuckles for weapons.</blockquote><br>Really? Didn't you ever see those references to Sonic, and even Ecco the Dolphin, Game Gear, etc., in PSIV? OMG how stupid! PSIV sucks! (/sarcasm)<br> <blockquote>Also, if my memory serves me correctly,... the spells/magic isn't even spelled right in the game. I believe they used similiar if not different names for the magic .. rather than useing the traditional names in the regular game.</blockquote><br>They used the exact same names, but it was translated and romanized more accurately.<br> <blockquote>Also, I thought the story was weak..</blockquote><br>You obviously didn't pay attention to it, then. A lot of people say this, but they didn't even take the time to actually read it.<br> <blockquote>4 dungeons... and it seemed like all the lvls looked similiar with differances in their own way.</blockquote><br>Of course the original Phantasy Star games never did that! (/sarcasm)<br> <blockquote>Here's another thing, Double Bladed saber or whatever they called it. Thats a Star Wars rip off lol. What does that have to do with Phantasy Star? Anyone else remember these additions? Sonic Team seemed to want to cut corners when it came to creativity.</blockquote><br>Right, right. Like no other game copies something from Star Wars. Hell, even Phantasy Star does it. Seen the Light Saber in Phantasy Star? The Robotcops? I can even prove it with an interview with Kodama. I rest my case.<br> <blockquote>I would pay well over $100 for a release of a sequel to Phantasy Star that would live up to it's previous releases. They need to gather back the old team that created Phantasy Star 1-4 and make another one...</blockquote><br>NOOOOO!!! Give the Algolians their well-deserved rest! It would defeat the purpose of PSIV!<br> <blockquote>I mean wtf is PSO card revolution.. what a dumb idea... let's get back to the basics and lets stop trying to appeal to the pokemon/kid crowd.</blockquote><br>You probably didn't even play it. It goes back to the Phantasy Star roots, but in a different way.<p>Summarized: OMG let's not try something new, let's cram out the same crap! That's right, the crap that you people are actually complaining about! People are such hypocrites...<br> <blockquote>PhanStar, prepare yourself to be countered to death by Benoit, but I agree with every single word you said.</blockquote><br>Of course you agree, you didn't even play the damn game, much less PSO: Ep III C.A.R.D. Revolution, because the consoles are too expensive in Brazil. You prefer to emulate games illegally.<br>[size=small][Edit by Benoit on [TIME]1110388090[/TIME]][/size]<p>[size=small][Edit by Benoit on [TIME]1110388219[/TIME]][/size]

[PhanStar]

Hilarious... I paid attention to PSO. I paid attention because I like the Phantasy Star series alot, and was very interested in the game. No I did not know about ecco the dolphin and game gear in PS4... where in that game does that appear? <p>Also, Phantasy Star 1 has some boring dungeons now, but back in the day it was revolutionary. My comment still stands about PSO. They could of done "way" better with the kind of technology and lvl builders they have now. They just didn't want to. It's a game that was done mediocrely. Bottom line is, if the original team did PSO it would of been a better game. Instead they handed it to Sonic Team and we have what we have today. The game was fun at first, but it lost it's edge very shortly. I have since bought the Game Cube version of this game, in hopes that it would be better than the DC version. There are some variations and differences, but... I play it a little bit, and get bored very quickly. <p>As far as a light sabre in phantasy star 1, yes I remember that. If you remember, in PSO when you have the double saber equipped as a weapon, you would even move around like darth maul when you attack with it lol<p>Phantasy Star came out in 1987 I believe. Alot of things have masked the 1970 something starwars , or whatever year that came out in. My point is.. that it was convenient to Sonic Team to take content from phantom menace and incorporate it into this game.They didn't have to do that, since nowadays they have way better abilities to bring out a game with content traditional to phantasy star. <p>Your comment that you always keep stating to people , reffering to them not reading the content in the PSO game... and that's why they don't understand.. may apply to some people because I can't speak for them.. but I know that it doesn't apply to me. I gave that game a fair chance, more than a fair chance.. and I know I"m not the only one here.. there are way more people here that feel the same way.<p>Off to work I go, somehow I dont' doubt a response traditional of benoit. Do you have a job? lol I"m going to mine..your probally sitting at home waiting to respond to everyone heh. Later

[Benoit]

<blockquote>Hilarious... I paid attention to PSO. I paid attention because I like the Phantasy Star series alot, and was very interested in the game.</blockquote><br>Then you would have been able to piece together a decent story. If you did pay attention, then go ahead and tell me the story.<br> <blockquote>No I did not know about ecco the dolphin and game gear in PS4... where in that game does that appear?</blockquote><br>By inspecting the book shelves in Saya's house/school.<br> <blockquote>My comment still stands about PSO. They could of done "way" better with the kind of technology and lvl builders they have now.</blockquote><br>I suppose you can do better? Comparing PSO to a traditional RPG with flashes all over it isn't fair. PSO was more about detailed environments and the atmosphere. The lay-out of the levels themselves isn't that much different from standard RPGs, though. But you don't notice in regular RPGs because you follow the story.<br> <blockquote>Bottom line is, if the original team did PSO it would of been a better game.</blockquote><br>Yeah, right. They wouldn't have made PSO, plain and simple. They do traditional RPGs. PSO is an online RPG, which has different mechanics.<br> <blockquote>Phantasy Star came out in 1987 I believe. Alot of things have masked the 1970 something starwars , or whatever year that came out in. My point is.. that it was convenient to Sonic Team to take content from phantom menace and incorporate it into this game.They didn't have to do that, since nowadays they have way better abilities to bring out a game with content traditional to phantasy star.</blockquote><br>Honestly, do you know a better way to imply a sci-fi/medieval atmosphere? Light weapons were the way to go.<br> <blockquote>Do you have a job? lol I"m going to mine..your probally sitting at home waiting to respond to everyone heh. Later</blockquote><br>That I have a job or not doesn't play any role in this conversation. But yes, I'm sitting at home. Why? Because it's actually the late evening here, when people are home and not working.