Final Fantasy likes, or dislikes...

[Lord Khyron]

Oh yes it is. The exact same animations, battle system, world map. Same mechanics EXCEPT for the leveling.

Now we're talking FF2 on NES Hubbsy, Not the SNES english one.

Spell animations almost identical, the attacks, The only difference is the leveling system and ridiculous backtracking.

The same engine used except for the leveling system.

Unless you decided to play the translated ROM on a nes emu and completed the original, you won't see the similarities.

Then again, those who only played the remake will never get the nuances of them being the same.

Oh well, It is a lost cause.

[Abominae]

Again, I've played both games AND their GBA remakes.

You see similarities that, for you, account for a nearly identical game.

I see someone who's full of it.

[The HuBBs]

seriously khyron, do you think i'm a dumbass. I meant FF2 nes. I've played it and beaten it. Nothing like FF1.

ff2 has improved combat, better character interaction, AN ACTUAL PLOT with more than just a go here and go there, improved spells and tons of new sprites for all characters(in combt, town or overworld).

[Abominae]

I fully agree with Hubbs. Except that I just didn't enjoy FF2. But I do love FF1

[LegoMuskCat]

As far as Final Fantasy goes... I have mixed feelings! There were some good games, and some bad games.

But comparing FF to PS? It's all in preference... I have friends who have played FF and when I tried introducing them to PS, they couldn't get into it. Lucky me, neither series was my first RPG, so I guess I can look at each on a somewhat balanced scale, even if I am leaning towards PS. :P

FF1: I never got far. I lost interest after using the dynamite or whatever to blow up the land bridge thingy... Battle system was awkward, not enjoyable, and many of the enemy sprites weren't impressive. I think the only thing I liked about the game was its music.

FF2J: Played this via emulator. Hated it, turned it off after a few minutes.

FF3J: See above.

FF2/4: Well, this game was interesting. Half the cast appears to die, but are really okay in the end (poor Tellah never comes back though). Cecil was emo (his DarkWave* hurt himself lol), even after changing from a Dark Knight into a Paladin with mediocre White magic. His self-doubt made him appear weak in my eyes; this is a theme that we will continue to see in later FF installments... And, I am the only one in my household who even bothered beating this game since no one else liked it, and I can't blame them. Sure, there was challenge in the difficulty, but there is little replay value in this. The only thing I liked in this game was when mature Rydia joins and when you get Edge -- I think they're cute together. ^_^
*note: American version of this game had skills/abilities removed from battle menu when selecting an attack, dunno about the European version though!

FF5: See FF2j & FF3j.

FF3/6: Best FF, in my opinion. Large cast of characters to choose from to create a customizable party, good story, and great music. However, the theme of the main character (Terra) having doubts about herself was -- while it was somewhat understandable with her amnesia and all -- still very annoying.

FF7: The most overrated RPG in existence. What to say about this game? How marvellous it was? Superb and grandiose? Nah... Let's not feed the fanboys praise for this pile of steaming crap. I suppose you could say that I have a love/hate relationship with this game. I loved the battle system, the materia, and the chocobo breeding! Each was fun, and with the chocobo racing alone I could play it for days on end. The music in this game was good, though Aeris' theme was totally taken from Celes' theme in FF6. :P But the story...ugh. Terrible story, and it went to the shitter after Disk 1 (and Aeris' notorious death sequence). And Cloud? Emo! He had an identity crisis and spazzes out, though I did enjoy the parts where he hits/tries to kill Aeris. :D Vincent...emo too (lol lucrecia, u r mai sin!!!1! =(((). Half the characters got on my nerves, so it wasn't enjoyable when you're forced to use, say, Aeris (she was cheap anyways, made it too easy). ... Yeah, I'll stop there.

FF8: It was a love story! ^__^ Hated the battle system though, but I dug the movie sequences; that WAS the reason why I forced myself to beat the game. The music wasn't memorable, other than "Eyes On Me". This game also has the worst plot twist ever; "OMG WE'RE FRUM DA SAEM ORFANIJ!!"

I didn't play anything past FF8, but I wanna play FF9. I won't touch anything beyond that, since FFX and up look very, uhm ... stupid. Also, Tidus and Vaan have girl hair!! And Vaan wears MAKEUP!!!

LOL!!!!

...

Long post! 'Kay, enough ranting from me. :3

[Abominae]

Sounds like a very close minded point of view.

I actually am in the process of completing FF7 and I thought of something that has changed my mind about Cloud.

How could most of you call him Emo when he went thru most of his adult life not giving a damn about anyone else? And let's not forget that he was also quite the arrogant prick too! "I can't tell you much about running since I've never done it. But a wimp like you might need it..."

Plus, how would you feel if you started losing control of your body at really bad moments and doing things that almost entirely screwed your main objective? Not one of you could say you'd be perfectly fine with that. Someone having control of your body like that really fucks with your head...

I agree about vincent tho. But then, when you fail someone you love... the pain can last your entire lifetime. I guess it just depends on whether or not you've actually experianced what it's like to go thru things like that. Most people don't have a clue... but emo's pretend to, so it's really hard for me to call either of them emo.

[BenoitRen]

*note: American version of this game had skills/abilities removed from battle menu when selecting an attack, dunno about the European version though!

The game was never released in Europe. Well, not on the SNES anyway.

[The HuBBs]

As far as Final Fantasy goes... I have mixed feelings! There were some good games, and some bad games.

But comparing FF to PS? It's all in preference... I have friends who have played FF and when I tried introducing them to PS, they couldn't get into it. Lucky me, neither series was my first RPG, so I guess I can look at each on a somewhat balanced scale, even if I am leaning towards PS.

FF1: I never got far. I lost interest after using the dynamite or whatever to blow up the land bridge thingy... Battle system was awkward, not enjoyable, and many of the enemy sprites weren't impressive. I think the only thing I liked about the game was its music.

FF2J: Played this via emulator. Hated it, turned it off after a few minutes.

FF3J: See above.

FF2/4: Well, this game was interesting. Half the cast appears to die, but are really okay in the end (poor Tellah never comes back though). Cecil was emo (his DarkWave* hurt himself lol), even after changing from a Dark Knight into a Paladin with mediocre White magic. His self-doubt made him appear weak in my eyes; this is a theme that we will continue to see in later FF installments... And, I am the only one in my household who even bothered beating this game since no one else liked it, and I can't blame them. Sure, there was challenge in the difficulty, but there is little replay value in this. The only thing I liked in this game was when mature Rydia joins and when you get Edge -- I think they're cute together. ^_^
*note: American version of this game had skills/abilities removed from battle menu when selecting an attack, dunno about the European version though!

FF5: See FF2j & FF3j.

FF3/6: Best FF, in my opinion. Large cast of characters to choose from to create a customizable party, good story, and great music. However, the theme of the main character (Terra) having doubts about herself was -- while it was somewhat understandable with her amnesia and all -- still very annoying.

FF7: The most overrated RPG in existence. What to say about this game? How marvellous it was? Superb and grandiose? Nah... Let's not feed the fanboys praise for this pile of steaming crap. I suppose you could say that I have a love/hate relationship with this game. I loved the battle system, the materia, and the chocobo breeding! Each was fun, and with the chocobo racing alone I could play it for days on end. The music in this game was good, though Aeris' theme was totally taken from Celes' theme in FF6. But the story...ugh. Terrible story, and it went to the shitter after Disk 1 (and Aeris' notorious death sequence). And Cloud? Emo! He had an identity crisis and spazzes out, though I did enjoy the parts where he hits/tries to kill Aeris. Vincent...emo too (lol lucrecia, u r mai sin!!!1! =(((). Half the characters got on my nerves, so it wasn't enjoyable when you're forced to use, say, Aeris (she was cheap anyways, made it too easy). ... Yeah, I'll stop there.

FF8: It was a love story! ^__^ Hated the battle system though, but I dug the movie sequences; that WAS the reason why I forced myself to beat the game. The music wasn't memorable, other than "Eyes On Me". This game also has the worst plot twist ever; "OMG WE'RE FRUM DA SAEM ORFANIJ!!"

I didn't play anything past FF8, but I wanna play FF9. I won't touch anything beyond that, since FFX and up look very, uhm ... stupid. Also, Tidus and Vaan have girl hair!! And Vaan wears MAKEUP!!!

LOL!!!!

...

Long post! 'Kay, enough ranting from me. :3

wow, I couldn't possible diagree with you more on... everything. well except that you think ff8 sucks.

[LegoMuskCat]

Sounds like a very close minded point of view.

And yours isn't? =(

No, seriously. Am I not entitled to form my own opinions? Just like you didn't like PS1, I can't say that FF was all that great, now that I think about it. It's just not fun to me. It's like the opposite of being fun, which is unfun (with a few exceptions, of course).

I actually am in the process of completing FF7 and I thought of something that has changed my mind about Cloud.

How could most of you call him Emo when he went thru most of his adult life not giving a damn about anyone else? And let's not forget that he was also quite the arrogant prick too! "I can't tell you much about running since I've never done it. But a wimp like you might need it..."

He was under the delusion that he WAS Zack. He acted like Zack, talked like Zack, even looked like Zack (minus the hair) and kept the Buster Sword. When Sephiroth showed him that he essentially "didn't exist" (he did, but it looked like it was a lie), he lost it. He may not be emo, but he's an anti-social (which some people DO consider as being emo) nut-case. It's only when the earthquake happens in Mideel that Tifa helps him put himsef back together that you finally see the REAL Cloud. On the airship, he admits his weakness. He was a weak individual, so he joined soldier...but was too weak to even make it. And the irony of it all...he was supposedly weak, though he's the strongest character in the game! Maybe this is supposed to inspire the weak, to make them strong?

But yes, this is why I dislike Cloud. Inferiority complex, hallo~! To quote the dictionary definition...

in·fe·ri·or·i·ty com·plex
sense of being inferior: an overdeveloped sense of being inferior to others.
In extreme cases it can manifest itself in either withdrawn or aggressive social behavior

It fits like a glove...doesn't it?

I agree about vincent tho. But then, when you fail someone you love... the pain can last your entire lifetime. I guess it just depends on whether or not you've actually experianced what it's like to go thru things like that. Most people don't have a clue... but emo's pretend to, so it's really hard for me to call either of them emo.

He keeps going on that it is his sin. That he was the reason that she ended up like that, etc., when he should really be out seeking revenge rather than lying in a fucking box and feeling sorry for himself. He's not even that great of a character to use, if you can get past his personality.

wow, I couldn't possible diagree with you more on... everything. well except that you think ff8 sucks.

That's fine. While you may love FF, I can't say that I share the same respect you hold for the series.

[The HuBBs]

i would say that I only like 6 games in the series that I completed. definitely 2,3,4,6,7 and 9. Once I get around to finishing 5(restarting it sounds more like it) I might add another one.

[Abominae]

I can't help but think what you must imagine me to be. But I do think that people with biased opinions should be ignored. And I wasn't being aggressive at all, but I can see why you'd think that (especially after how agressive your post was). However, by your post, I think you're beginning to see the point of Cloud's dilema. It isn't always so crystal clear, nor should it be. The Final Fantasy games, from 4-8 all had stories that were deeper than what could (and IS) commonly assumed to be the main point of the plot.


Truth be told, I didn't have any expectations for FF7. It's a complex I wrestle with now when trying out their new games (By the way, FFT-A2 is badass despite the judge system... which in some cases, makes it very interesting... and in other, infuriating). I hadn't even played FF6 very far either (I made it to Setzer and then 7 came out... so...). But, 7 is still one of my favorite games, story and all. In the broad sense, it's a story about what humans will eventually do to our planet if we don't take care of it. For person to person perspective, it's more about overcoming obstacles, not depsite your weaknesses, but BECAUSE of your weaknesses.

Vincent. Actually, he is one of the best characters you can get. I think, (if I can remember correctly) if you get his strength stat (or something) as high as it will go (255 for any stat), he and barret can both break the 9999 damage barrier. Why? Who knows. My guess is that they use guns. Why that would be a factor? Well, your guess is as good as mine.

[The HuBBs]

ff8 is the first game in the series that broke the 9999 dmg barrier. And that was only with certain summons.

[janejana]

Vincent. Actually, he is one of the best characters you can get. I think, (if I can remember correctly) if you get his strength stat (or something) as high as it will go (255 for any stat), he and barret can both break the 9999 damage barrier. Why? Who knows. My guess is that they use guns. Why that would be a factor? Well, your guess is as good as mine.

you're talking about the damage overflow glitch. technically, the 9999 damage barrier isn't being broken; the game is just incapable of calculating damage if the numbers being plugged into the formula are too large. so you get a bunch of random numbers, and then everything dies.

the reason only Vincent and Barret can do the overflow glitch is because their ultimate weapons are the only ones that can have their strength boosted enough to cause the game to freak out. death penalty's potential boost is unlimited, since it's based on enemies killed. iirc, the actual number of enemies you need to kill is a little over 65,000. Barret's weapon gets stronger based on how much AP the materia in the weapon has, so it's capped at the total AP of 8 mastered Knights of the Round -- but you don't need to have that much AP to trigger the glitch. just having 8 master materia with very high AP totals equipped will suffice.

for all the other characters, their weapon 'potential' is capped at too low a number to create the glitch.

[Abominae]

Yeah, that sounds very similar to what I remember reading.