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Postby IndispensablePeaGuy » Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:52 pm

The Wii is totally awesome. I've been playing this console at my mate's house for the last couple of days.

Wii Sports, in particular, is fun to play. You don't need to be some hardcore gamer to play these games -- anyone can do it. You get the choice out of Golf, Bowling, Baseball, and some other games that I haven't tried yet. But who cares? It's a laugh.

I hope Nintendo gets the monopoly it deserves out of this console. The XBox 360 and PS3 are both too expensive and they offer nothing new to the games industry.
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Postby Anza » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:21 pm

It's fun but it needs more great games, that said Metroid Prime 3 is completely and totally OMFG AWESOMENESS!!! okay maybe not that good but the game is insanely fun to play.

Speaking of the Wii, I'm still waiting for PS2-4 on the VC Sega *sends an evil glare towards Sega*
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Postby Halikus. » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:25 pm

We shall know by Christmas if the Wii will take this round of the console war. It faces tough competition from the X360s games this year. Thats not to say the the wii wont have some cracking games out by then it will for sure, Metroid, Mario Galaxy, Res Evil not to mention Super Smash Bros are all slated for pre xmas release.

Question is will it stand up to Halo3, Gotham4, Lost odyssey. Blue dragon, Mass Effect and GTA4. There are many more out for both consoles but the 360 looks to have nest lineup this year.

PS3 well the less said about that the better. Where are the games......

Oh I own a 360 and will get a wii too for xmas.
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Postby Anza » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:30 pm

Halikus. wrote:We shall know by Christmas if the Wii will take this round of the console war. It faces tough competition from the X360s games this year. Thats not to say the the wii wont have some cracking games out by then it will for sure, Metroid, Mario Galaxy, Res Evil not to mention Super Smash Bros are all slated for pre xmas release.

Question is will it stand up to Halo3, Gotham4, Lost odyssey. Blue dragon, Mass Effect and GTA4. There are many more out for both consoles but the 360 looks to have nest lineup this year.

PS3 well the less said about that the better. Where are the games......

Oh I own a 360 and will get a wii too for xmas.
Forget blue dragon not that note worthy, Eternal Sonata might be though. Mass Effect seriously looks like it deserves Game of the year, you know a game is freaking huge when the own lead developer of the game doesn't know EXACTLY how many worlds there are in the game O_O
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Postby BenoitRen » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:40 pm

Indeed, the Wii is great.

Almost a half year back, I was in the last class before the end of the third term/start of Easter vacation. Suddenly near the end of it the Databases teacher proposes to play tennis with us, the last three students (the rest had finished their exercises) present.

I wondered what that meant. Did he mean table tennis or something? We don't have a gym.

We were led to the teacher's room, and there was a flat-screen or plasma TV there, and the Wii was hooked up to it. The teacher meant playing tennis on Wii sports.

It was fun, we each got our turn. The couple teachers who were there played too. I was thinking what a great feat the Wii had achieved. Teachers playing video games? Wow!

We played some boxing too. That was fun too, though I found the motion sensing for that one awkward.

I'm looking forward to Metroid Prime 3: Corruption the most.
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Re: The Wii is awesome.

Postby PSP » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:26 pm

Peegai wrote:I hope Nintendo gets the monopoly it deserves out of this console. The XBox 360 and PS3 are both too expensive and they offer nothing new to the games industry.


I disagree. The Wii is nice and all (I enjoy mine), but I think the PS3 is pretty damned nifty also. Too many people are crying foul over the price without understanding what exactly the console is. The two represent the opposite ends of a single spectrum: The Wii is, for all intents and purposes, an overclocked Gamecube with motion sensing controls, whereas the PS3 is a technical powerhouse that (like every console) is still being unlocked by developers. When the Final Fantasy XIII's and MSG4's start coming out, the PS3 will get more respect from the naysayers. Besides, I dare you to play Motorstorm with the Sixaxis controls and not have a smile on your face (I've heard Warhawk is very badass also, but while I own it I haven't played yet due to busy schedule).

The 360, on the other hand, is a defective piece of crap that will never be in my setup (especially after the disappointment that is Blue Dragon) ;p

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Postby BenoitRen » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:45 pm

but I think the PS3 is pretty damned nifty also. Too many people are crying foul over the price without understanding what exactly the console is

It's primarily a game console, and currently there isn't much to play on it. Combine that with the price tag and I can understand that people aren't too hyped about it.
The Wii is, for all intents and purposes, an overclocked Gamecube

You could say the same for the other consoles. The XBox 360 is an upgraded XBox, and the PS3 is an upgraded PS2. But the Wii has motion sensing controls as well, and the PS3 some cheap knock-off of it.
whereas the PS3 is a technical powerhouse that (like every console) is still being unlocked by developers

Isn't that the same with the XBox 360?

It's worth noting that you didn't offer a single point on why the XBox 360 and PS3 do offer something new. So the PS3 is a powerhouse. So was every next-generation console compared to the previous-generation ones.
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Postby PSP » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:44 am

BenoitRen wrote:It's primarily a game console, and currently there isn't much to play on it. Combine that with the price tag and I can understand that people aren't too hyped about it.


As can I. I do think that the naysayers are protesting a bit too much, however. Most have never even played a PS3, whereas I played all three consoles before solidifying my opinions about them. Personally, I use the PS3 for a multitude of purposes, such as Blu-ray movie playing (for which it is a reference level player), video games, internet browsing (if my girlfriend's on the computer), chatting, etc.

The Wii is, for all intents and purposes, an overclocked Gamecube

You could say the same for the other consoles. The XBox 360 is an upgraded XBox, and the PS3 is an upgraded PS2. But the Wii has motion sensing controls as well, and the PS3 some cheap knock-off of it.


"Overclocked" is not equal to "upgraded." And not at all. The PS3 has none of the same hardware as the PS2, save for elements implemented for legacy support (which are actually being removed in current models). I honestly haven't studied the Xbox 360's architecture enough to say what it has, but I know it doesn't share the same graphics chipset (ATi vs. Nvidia, hence the trouble with backwards compatibility). The Wii, on the other hand, literally is an overclocked Gamecube (note: overclocked, not upgraded). That's why it's 100% backwards compatible, and also why it's graphical prowess is no better than the last generation.

BTW, motion sensing isn't Nintendo's baby. Atari's "Le Stick" was motion sensing over 20 years ago. If you wanna accuse someone of ripping someone else off, at least get the right progenitor.

Isn't that the same with the XBox 360?


To a degree, yes. However, from a techno-geek standpoint, the PS3 has a higher ceiling IMHO. Plus, the failure rate of the PS3's (0.2%) versus the Xbox360 (30%) and the admitted design flaw on the latter by their designers and subsequent billion dollars in losses to fix faulty consoles makes me worry should developers try and push the hardware further.

It's worth noting that you didn't offer a single point on why the XBox 360 and PS3 do offer something new. So the PS3 is a powerhouse. So was every next-generation console compared to the previous-generation ones.


Well, the Wii is hardly a powerhouse. Anyone who knows anything about it can tell you that the Wii will probably hit the same ceiling as the Gamecube in terms of aesthetics. One could also argue that Nintendo is short-changing this generation by making the system barebones (i.e. - You can't even play music CD's? Jeez, every console since the PS that was optical media based could). Their past crap also left a sour taste in my mouth, such as the abandonment of the Gamecube and the exclusion of component support halfway through that console's lifecycle for completely inexcusable reasons, but I do enjoy my Wii and hope they'll get it right this time.

The 360 offers nothing new at all, IMHO. The online network is decent, the failure rate is a turn-off and I don't really see any games that I'm aching for. Then again, this is how I felt about Xbox at first, but I ended up getting one in '03. So who knows?

The PS3, on the other hand, offers a multitude of things. From a technical standpoint, it's truly a magnificent machine. The Cell architecture could allow a developer with the right motivation and patience (like Hideo Kojima, who has gone on about how MSG4 would only be possible on the PS3) to design and program a truly amazing AI. The Cell's architecture allows the right software engineering team to create an incredibly immersive experience by dedicating certain elements to individual SPE's. Problem is, most console developers are trying to do multi-platform (since no one has the balls to support the PS3 solely, which will change soon), so they design for the easier-to-program-for-but-not-as-powerful 360. Last, I honestly do believe that the tilt sensor makes games more fun to play, without completely replacing the classic feel of controlling a game. Call me old at 23, but I enjoy the "old school" feel of a controller. The Wii is fun for certain games (Rayman, Gamecube ports like RE4 with Wii controls, Mario, etc.), but the PS3 seems to combine the better part of legacy controls and newer attempts at motion/tilt sensing while giving the capability to have a truly realistic atmosphere.

I'm kinda scrambled tonight, but that's my attempt to articulate. Feel free to shoot it all to hell and I'll reply tomorrow.

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Postby LegoMuskCat » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:55 am

I really do want a Wii, if not to play some of the older games. NES, SNES, Sega...yeah, I'm stuck when it comes to those games, so sue me. >_> I guess emulators will do just fine, but I prefer seeing the game on my TV screen than my monitor.

As for the PS3, I can understand that it's powerful and whatnot. However, I've read that it was buggy and had problems. If you ask me, I'd rather have something that I know will work, rather than something that's faulty and has a good chance of having something wrong with it.
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Postby Halikus. » Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:09 pm

From what iv heard the PS3 is an absolute pig to code for. Sonys emotion engine is apparently still terrible even after how much stick they got for the ps2 version. The upshot of this is we probably wont see the PS3s real potential for a few more years when the developers have made a few games and get to know the ins and outs of the machine.

Regardless of all this Wii looks to be the instant gratification kind of fun to me. The kind of games that you can come home from the pub and play with your mates. Im just not expecting anything like Mass Effect to come out for it.
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Postby PSP » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:14 pm

Tsu wrote:As for the PS3, I can understand that it's powerful and whatnot. However, I've read that it was buggy and had problems. If you ask me, I'd rather have something that I know will work, rather than something that's faulty and has a good chance of having something wrong with it.


Really? Find the article, because I've had no errors and apparently the failure rate is being reported as less than 1% on launch machines up to current. Not being defensive, it's just I'd rather have supporting evidence than condemn something without reason.

BTW, the Wii itself was prone to failure due to a glaring oversight in design. WiiConnect, the 24 hour a day internet service that works even when the machine is in idle, was generating enough heat to melt the GPU (graphics processing unit) due to the machine not having cooling active when in idle.

Halikus. wrote:From what iv heard the PS3 is an absolute pig to code for. Sonys emotion engine is apparently still terrible even after how much stick they got for the ps2 version.


And then you get ignorant posts like this (no offense). The Emotion Engine isn't even in the PS3. And the programming difficulties come from engineers not being used to the Cell processor, just as every machine has the initial stumbling block of learning how to use it. Hell, the only reason Xbox 360 and Wii are so easy to program for is because they're basically a computer and last generation's hardware respectively.

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Postby LaconianShot » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:58 pm

The Wii, in terms of gameplay, is great. The motion sensor is generally on the money, and feels pretty natural. The Virtual Console is a great idea, and some upcoming games have definite promise (there aren't too many people I know who aren't excited for Super Smash Bros. Brawl). Even the launch was good, in large part thanks to Twilight Princess.

However, I'm wondering how long it will last. Yeah, I've played a lot of games for the Wii. They're fun, and are as good looking as Gamecube games, if not a little bit more polished (this is the way it seems to me, but I'm not sure if the Wii is technically any more powerful than the GC). However, once one looks at the graphics that the PS3 and XB360 are churning out, one gets a little discontent.

MSG4 and Final Fantasy XIII look beautiful. Soul Calibur IV is very impressive. Halo 3 looks just plain slick. The list goes on. While some people may say that graphics are nothing when compared to gameplay, in this case it's not one for the other... gameplay is very solid for the PS3 and XB360. Maybe not as intuitive as the Wii, but still very solid. Combined with solid gameplay and excellent graphics, and of course some triple A titles, I suspect that they'll both be doing very well for themselves in the future.

I can deal with the lack of graphical power, however, if the games are great. Unfortunately, the fact that the power of the Wii doesn't come close to matching the PS3 or XB360 means that the Wii will be missing a lot of great games that otherwise might've been ported. Who knows? Maybe Soul Calibur IV would've been released on a graphically capable Wii. Ditto for a trillion other titles. And maybe right now Wii owners are content to play almost exclusively 1st party games, but I'm willing to bet that some game coming out in the future will make a lot of people wish that they could get their hands on a port.

But who knows? Gameplay and great first party titles allowed the DS to triumph over the PSP's graphics and other capabilities. I suppose the Wii could end up being a success in that way. However, I kind of doubt it, because a handheld is one thing, but a Sony console is another. If nothing else, once the price goes down, it'll sell on name alone.[/i]
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Postby LegoMuskCat » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:01 am

PSP wrote:Really? Find the article, because I've had no errors and apparently the failure rate is being reported as less than 1% on launch machines up to current. Not being defensive, it's just I'd rather have supporting evidence than condemn something without reason.

Wouldn't be able to if I wanted -- it was in a newspaper article I read a few months ago. :p
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Postby Amwhere » Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:14 pm

The only console that I'm really interested in getting is the PS3 - I haven't yet because:

A) There's no really great games for it yet.
B) It's $499.
C) I've still got a backlog of PS2 games to go through.
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Postby Volt » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:32 am

I've got the Wii and its really awsome. I'm planning on buying a PSP.
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