Something else about Naflign's PS 2 retranslation..

[PhanGarrett]

The actions of the Earthmen do indeed seem to be the indirect result of the Profound Darkness's influence. I don't see that there's any stretch involved in associating the "re-birth" of the Profound Darkness with Neifirst and the Bio-monsters. Again, we're talking about an indirect influence, not, "The Profound Darkness created Neifirst."<p>It's more like, the Profound Darkness spread its will of malcontent over the Earthmen, and this resulted in the Earthmen creating Mother Brain, which eventually lead to the creation of Neifirst and the Bio-monsters. The Profound Darkness wanted the planets of Algol destroyed, and Neifirst contributed to that.<p>It is indeed an interesting parallel that you point out though, Khryon. Zio does indeed seem to serve the purpose of a symbolic parallel to Neifirst; though to suggest that Zio was an Earthman to begin with assumes to much to be considered concrete. Far more research would have to be done to prove such a thing; though I encourage you to do so.

[Benoit]

The conjunction made by the Earthmen? That's not stated anywhere. It happened because of the planets being on one line.<p>Neifirst contributed? I don't think that it's because of her that Mother Brain smashed Gaira in Parma.

[PhanGarrett]

The destruction of Palma was not the whole of the Profound Darkness's goal, Benoit. It was in fact, only a third of it.<p>As it stands, Neifirst was the general cause of the chaos on Motavia, and had she continued what she'd been doing, it is entirely possible that her actions could've lead to the destruction of the planet; if nothing else, her actions could have easily readied Motavia to be destroyed by Mother Brain, by other means. She was, after all, well on her way to wiping out all natural resources and sentient life.

[HuBBsDoctor]

I perfer to leave it at planet goes boom, people die. Its sad I know.

[Benoit]

Hehe... 1/3? I have not seen anything on Dezolis.

[Lord Khyron]

I will post lines here from the compendium, NOTICE that the world ships used in PS 2 at the Destruction of Palma also come from the time of the conjunction..<p>But mainly we're focusing RIGHT HERE:<p>-AW 822 - The Earthmen's spaceship stronghold, Noah, invades the Algol Solar System. <br>-AW 843 - The "Conjunction", the alignment of the three planets, occurs. Due to gravitational interference, the orbits of Parma and Motabia are shifted, and cities are annihilated. Thanks to the Earthmen, the escape shuttle containing the remaining members of the ruling class is destroyed, and the Landeel bloodline appears to be wiped out. <p>-AW 845 - Mother Brain, secretly controlled by the Earthmen at the heart of Noah, begins construction of its centrally controlled network on Parma, and reconstruction advances at an accelerated pace. Lutz awakens. He goes into hiding with his followers on Dezolis. <br>-AW 868 - The reconstruction of Parma is completed. Control over the public welfare is given to Mother Brain. Because of this, an underground resistance movement is also born. <br>-AW 1274 - The anti-Mother Brain resistance group is sent off on a spaceship used for exploration outside the Algol Solar System. Mother Brain destroys it, making it look like an accident. Under this pretense, Mother Brain issues a command forbidding the use of spaceships. A young boy of Landeel blood, Eusis, had boarded that spaceship, but he is saved by Lutz's power. <br>AW 1282 - There is an accident at the Biosystem on Motabia. Massive quantities of Biomonsters are bred. This is part of the rebirth of the Profound Darkness at the hands of the Earthmen. <br>AW 1284 - Eusis, who has become a Motabian Agent, is assigned to the Biosystem incident. Before long, Eusis and party are marked as notorious sympathizers of the underground resistance. The resistance discovers that Eusis and the others are being held on the prison satellite Gaila; Tyler, commander of the raider warship Landeel, is dispatched to rescue them. Shortly before that, the underground resistance's young leaders, Ohario Sa Riik and Aina Le Cille, succeed in cutting off their spaceship's remote control system from Mother Brain, and, before the fall of Gaila, evacuate many people in rescue ships left over from the time of the Conjunction.* Two people of the La Shiec bloodline are among them. These tens of ships start a journey to look for a new world beyond their solar system. Immediately afterwards, Eusis and company defeat Dark Force, Mother Brain, and the Earthmen race, but what happened after that is unknown. <p>And now the other compendium reference:<p>Earthmen<p>People from another star who invaded the Algol Solar System in AW 822. They planned to seize and overrun Algol with Noah's central computer, Mother Brain, but, in AW 1284, they were slaughtered by an anti-Mother Brain faction. Whether or not any survived is unknown. <p>Mother Brain (II)<br>The name of the central computer of the Earthmen's orbiting fortress. When the invading Earthmen slaughtered the entire royal family in a spaceship accident in AW 844, they manipulated public sentiment to abolish the monarchy and found a democratic republic. In the following years, construction began on the network on Parma, with Mother Brain at its core.<p>Spaceship Noah (II)<br>The star-going vessel carrying the refugees from the destroyed Earth. Through deft use of their radio jamming system, they infiltrated the Algol Solar System. The Earthmen then used Noah's central computer, Mother Brain, to seize control of Algol. <p>When you put it all together.. the events of PS 2 were influenced by the Earthmen. And their legacy lives on still.<p>If you see how they invade, you can tell the Aeroprism was the only way to see them. Because the Aero prism renders jamming useless.<p>An orbiting fortress is bigger than a planetoid as per Anime and Scifi. So therefore it is assumed the movement of Noah caused the conjunction with it's gravitational interference.<p>[size=small][Edit by Lord Khyron on [TIME]1083011699[/TIME]][/size]

[PhanGarrett]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><p>Hehe... 1/3? I have not seen anything on Dezolis. <br></blockquote><p>It's worth observing that Mother Brain had installed facilities on Dezolis (as seen in Phantasy Star 4), though the Dezolians were more resistant.<p>Furthermore, we can also observe that Palma went first, and the next to start to go was Motavia; it's therefore reasonable to figure that the Profound Darkness was working from the inside out. Either that or Mother Brain just focused more on the Palman race because they seemed more threatening.

[Lord Khyron]

That and the Noah was hidden via the same means they infiltrated Algol.. <p>The Earthmen wanted MOTAVIA. It is said at the end of NAflign's retranslation. PALMA didn't matter to them, MOTA did.<p>Rolf and co killed them before they could have Mota. They also destroyed Mother Brain. That pissed the earthmen off.<p>There is 2 different outcomes to the Earthmen's final speech Van. o.o You have 2 choices and I've seen different responses. Dya want the SAVE STATE?<p>I believe the Aeroprism was the only thing that could see the fortress, due to the properties of it and what the Earthmen did.

[LaconianShot]

Two people of the La'Shiec bloodline. Are they speaking of Laya and Orakio? They must be...I can think of no others.<p>It's reasonable to suggest that Spaceship Noah's gravitational interference caused the conjunction...planets don't switch orbit when the align, that's for sure.

[Lord Khyron]

Orakio and Rulakir I surmised because they are brothers. Dark Force fed of Lashiec, it is natural he would feed off of his descendant. Orakio did trap Dark Force..<br>

[Goldark]

well, well, I think there is a point that should be cleared, Dark Force being on Noah spaceship, and the real objective of the earthmens, that should be the conquest of Algo, rather than its destruction, because the earthmen were searching for a new home. I would add, from previous discussions, that there is concrete possibility for Dark Force/Falz/Whatherver to have been on Noah way before it arriving in Algo. Possibly because Alisa III landed in the past on earth in due to black hole travel, so DF has had the chance to corrupt humanity (well, if there is something to corrupt :; ) and led Earth to destruction. So that should explain why earthmen started to destroy Algo rather than conquering it before PD has had the change to influence things in Algo (every 1000 years).

[Monocromatico]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Goldark</i><p>well, well, I think there is a point that should be cleared, Dark Force being on Noah spaceship, and the real objective of the earthmens, that should be the conquest of Algo, rather than its destruction, because the earthmen were searching for a new home. I would add, from previous discussions, that there is concrete possibility for Dark Force/Falz/Whatherver to have been on Noah way before it arriving in Algo. Possibly because Alisa III landed in the past on earth in due to black hole travel, so DF has had the chance to corrupt humanity (well, if there is something to corrupt :; ) and led Earth to destruction. So that should explain why earthmen started to destroy Algo rather than conquering it before PD has had the change to influence things in Algo (every 1000 years).<br></blockquote><p>ARGH! The time loop theory! Kill it! KILL IT NOW!<br>

[Goldark]

<p>Don't worry, I'll do it myself <p>Well, actually, I should not take seriously what I've said, it just was the most convincint theory that came into my mind. But the two question stated into the first part remain valid, if someone can find a better explaination I'll gladly put down mine.

[PhanGarrett]

Sadly, the Time Loop theory is the most logical and obvious explanation of Phantasy Star II's Dark Force that we've ever come by. In fact, it's so logical and obvious, that it's been developed independently by different individuals without outside influence. Myself, for example, I figured out the theory long before ever getting involved in discussions on Phantasy Star on the net, yet when I came across Phantasy Star websites, people were already discussing it.

[Demon Child]

Moving this conversation away from a time loop theory descussion and back closer to what it was in the begining. I belive that yes Rolf did die in the final battle against the earthmen.However I cant bring myself to belive that he would take his friends down with him so maybe the end would go more like this: They fought the earthmen. Rolf relised there would be no end to the fight so he sent Rudo and the others back with the Nei Items and the Aero Prism, while he remained on Noah and destroyed the whole ship with the Megid.<p> !@#$ Tragic end for Rolf but this would explain how the prism got back and it would fit a hero's personality better to sacrifice only himself rather then vaporize himself and his allies.