Proof that DarkFalz is eternal and why he can exist after ps

[Rika/Phoenix]

Dark Force is still alive after PS3, because he says that he will return in another thousand years. Really Dark Force doesn't need the Profound Darkness to be alive as since Dark Force is a part of the Profound Darkness, that means that the Profound Darkness still lives.

[Benoit]

PSIII proves that Dark Force doesn't need the Profound Darkness to live. But he does need it to revive, or as Le Roof puts it, the PD spawns out a Dark Force.<p>PSIII's Dark Force does say he will return in 1000 years, but that's probably because he thinks the PD is still there to revive him.<p>The Profound Darkness is NOT a god. It can be killed, and it was at the end of PSIV.

[DaveGeorge]

Yes, I agree with Benoit. But do we really know that the Nei weapons actually are able to destroy Dark Force? Remember, Orakio only sealed him in the sunken shrine.

[Benoit]

That's because he was not able to defeat it, and didn't have the Nei weapons, I understood from the game.

[ThePeaGuy]

Since this thread is about Dark Force, I have a question about this thing.<p>Why is DF called IDOLA on PSO?

[Benoit]

If I remember correctly, IDOLA means something like "phantasm, ghost". Which would make sense since in PSO, Dark Force is a spiritual entity.

[ThePeaGuy]

Interesting. Thanks. <p>

[Lord Khyron]

Actually the Profound Darkness was sealed way in THE EDGE. It is a seperate dimension from the Algo dimension.<p>According to the compendium, The Elsydeon is the only thing that can SEAL the PD away. SEAL can be a definition of destroy.<p>Regardles, THE EDGE will always exist. Prophallus' will always exist. The compendium backs this up by saying the spirits of that dimension took form<p>It also says the PD was not evil to begin with, He just grew bitter and hateful for being locked away, And plus the evil spirits and VOILA! Someone who wants REVENGE. SOmeone who wants freedom.<p>You cannot destroy DIMENSIONS. So whatever the reasoning, THE EDGE will ALWAYS exist.<p>Nothing will get rid of The Edge.<p>Algo Dimension will always exist, The Edge will always exist.<p>I repeat, The Edge will always exist.<p>P.S. Algo was mean to SEAL something away, Never destroy it. Seal something in a dimension. So theoretically Algo is a imperfect seal without PALMA. So the seal can rupture AGAIN.<p>After all, the seal was ONE FIXED STAR and 3 Planets, And a warning planet. There is 2 Planets at the end of PS IV, One Star and one guardian planet.<p>You do the math and figure out the same conclusion.

[Benoit]

You forget that with the Profound Darkness gone, the seal can't be opened again. That's why they almost got trapped in the Edge when Chaz destroyed the Profound Darkness. Elsydeon saved him.<br>The seal was weakened indeed. But without the PD's power, it can't be opened.

[Siren]

True Benoit!<p>Lord Khryon... just to make things clear, Profound Darkness wasn't sealed away in the EDGE. Profound Darkness was sealed away in another dimension, and through it's hate and animosity towards the Great Light and all that he created (Algo) THE EDGE was born, a reflection of the cruel and warped mind of the Profound Darkness. The demons of THE EDGE are the hate of the Profound Darkness. Therefore...<p>If the Profound Darkness isn't there to plague the dimension with her hate, there are no demons and no EDGE to exist.

[Lord Khyron]

Two references from the compendium to backup why I say THE EDGE will always exist:<p>"The Profound Darkness (IV)<br>The spirit-life form that lost to the Great Light in a huge battle that took place long ago and is locked away by the Algol Solar System. The sealed-away being, which was never before evil, drew in hateful and vengeful spirits in its interdimensional prison - whereupon it grew into a manifestation of lust for destruction and murder and transformed into a wicked being."<p>"The Algol Solar System (I - IV)<br>A solar system composed of one star and four planets - Parma, Motabia, Dezolis, and Ryucross. The Great Light created it as the Great Seal used to seal away the Profound Darkness. Due to the "Conjunction", the close alignment of three planets in the system in AW 843, an extraordinary event occurred, and Parma and Motabia exchanged orbits. Parma was instantly and utterly annihilated in an explosion in AW 1284, when the artificial satellite Gaila fell. "<p>"300,000 Years Ago - The entire race of victors is wiped out. Except on the fourth planet, Ryucross, the beings of the other three planets, with the passing of each successive generation, begin to forget the mission of those made Protectors. Meanwhile, in their inter-dimensional prison, the sealed-away spirit-life form transforms into a wicked being, the accumulation of spirits of hatred and vengeance, and, at its core, a profound darkness is formed."<p>"Dark Force (I-IV)<br>The projected form of the soul of the Profound Darkness that succeeds in physically manifesting itself every 1,000 years. The Profound Darkness, through absorbing "negative emotions" like hate and fear, weakens the seal of the Algol Solar System fashioned by the Great Light. "<p>"Elsydeon (IV)<br>The sword that sleeps in the Cavern of the Sacred Sword [in the Canyon of the Crescent Moon - sorry, in-joke] in the Esper Mansion's Inner Sanctum. It is said to be the only thing that can seal away the Profound Darkness."<p>"Esper Mansion (II, IV)<br>The building in which Lutz gathered his fellow Espers after the fall of the Landeel dynasty. The assembled comrades created the Nei series of weapons and Elsydeon to guide the heroes foretold to eventually appear and prepare them for Dark Force's rebirth"<p>SINCE the EDGE is where Prophallus and the PD are found, Therefore THE EDGE is the dimension the PD was sealed in.<p>Regardless, D-Em-Lars and riders will always exist. They existed in PS 2, 3 and 4 (for the D-em-lars, Xe-A-Thoul, Gi-le-Farg) and the Riders in 1 and 4. <p>The Edge will always be there. Algo was the SEAL to keep the EDGE locked up.<p>The Elsydeon seals away THE EDGE and the PD for good.<p>A spirit life form cannot be destroyed. It is Eternal.

[LaconianShot]

This doesn't go against anyone's theory, but Alis's Laconian Sword, Rolf's Nei Sword and Chaz's Elsydeon are all the same. You don't have to agree, but I have good reason to believe this. Here's why...<p>1: If Elsydeon holds the memories of ALL the protectors, then it would stand to reason that at least one of (of each generation) would've wielded it.<p>2: I believe that ANY weapon of a Protector can be converted to a Nei Weapon with the right magic, or word. It would make sense that Alis's Laconian Sword was made into a Nei Weapon by Lutz prior to Nei's death, which is why you get it last. It would also explain how Nei Weapons got on the world ship, Alisa III...because they aren't the same, and you see them being converted into Nei Weapons. Orakio's Sword to Nei Sword, Laya's Bow to Nei Bow...since they obviously vanquished Dark Force, they must have been Protectors (and yes, they did seal him away, with Orakio's Sword, remember?)<p>There are some flaws with this theory, but it's just that-a theory.

[Benoit]

<blockquote>A spirit life form cannot be destroyed. It is Eternal.</blockquote> <br>Maybe in the real world, but you must remember that this is fantasy. Also, if it wasn't killed, Phantasy Star IV has no purpose at all. Defeating the evil once and for good, is what the game is for. Chaz destroyed the Profound Darkness, and that's that. There's no Phantasy Star IV without it.

[Monocromatico]

"Elsydeon (IV)<br>The sword that sleeps in the Cavern of the Sacred Sword [in the Canyon of the Crescent Moon - sorry, in-joke] in the Esper Mansion's Inner Sanctum. It is said to be the only thing that can seal away the Profound Darkness."<p>"Esper Mansion (II, IV)<br>The building in which Lutz gathered his fellow Espers after the fall of the Landeel dynasty. The assembled comrades created the Nei series of weapons and Elsydeon to guide the heroes foretold to eventually appear and prepare them for Dark Force's rebirth"<br></blockquote><p>It kinda proves my point that, at least, Elsydeon and the Nei Sword aren´t the same weapon. And that Elsydeon can´t kill Profound Darkness, only seal it away once more.<br>

[Benoit]

"seal" has more meanings than just lock away. Just sealing the Profound Darkness would be worthless when the message is freeing Algol from evil for once and for all.