Final Fantasy likes, or dislikes...

[Abominae]

1 - You almost lost me with redenption. its an "M" not an "N". I know how that sounds but I only say it because it threw me off for a bit before I realized what you were trying to spell.

2 - Even tho this is a Phantasy Star board... one must take into account the technical superiority of the Final Fantasy story over the Phantasy Star story. Why? Because if one is to acknowledge a foe, one must be prepared to accept the flaws of their foe as well as their strengths. I hear too many people complaining about the flaws of final fantasy without taking into account their strengths.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Phantasy Star just doesn't stand up to Final Fantasy in the long run. Here's why:

A) Phantasy Star's biggest advantage over Final Fantasy was the graphical superiority, although that one is just BARELY worth nothing. Granted, the enemy sprites were animated, but Final Fantasy made up for this with actually showing the heroes themselves IN combat with animation for their weapons along with differing weapon animations (if you payed attention, you'd see that the weapons look different from one to another). Also, the spells the heroes cast were animated as well... and quite well, at that.

B) (awaiting edit)

[BenoitRen]

We're talking about the first game of each series, right? It's not entirely clear, especially with the "technical superiority of the Final Fantasy story" comment.

Phantasy Star's biggest advantage over Final Fantasy was the graphical superiority, although that one is just BARELY worth nothing.

Oh please. Final Fantasy looked poor in comparison.

Granted, the enemy sprites were animated, but Final Fantasy made up for this with actually showing the heroes themselves IN combat with animation for their weapons along with differing weapon animations (if you payed attention, you'd see that the weapons look different from one to another). Also, the spells the heroes cast were animated as well... and quite well, at that.

Phantasy Star had different animation for its weapons too. Magic had its animations as well. And I'd rather see well-animated, varied monsters than see my heroes doing the same small sprite changes over and over.

You forgot other noteworthy things, like the 3D dungeons, the non-linearity of the game, and actual characters instead of templates.

The things Final Fantasy had going for it were its innovative battle system and idea of elemental weaknesses.

[Lord Khyron]

MM.. Let us not forget that Final Fantasy I was sloppily programmed with many of the spells NON FUNCTIONING or doing the opposite.

Now in Phantasy Star, all the spells were programmed correctly.

Let's see.. Here we go! The failed spells!

Tmpr - Does not work at all.
Sabr - Does not work at all.
Xfer - Does not work at all.
Lock - Always misses.
Lok2 - Instead of decreasing Enemy Evade% by 20, increases Evade by 20.
Hel2 - Works outside of battle as designed, works like Hel3 in battle.

Let's see.. Oh.. Bugged weapons!

Any of the weapons that have Special abilities that make them more effective
versus certain types of enemies (ie Coral Sword, Dragon Sword, Flame Sword,
Giant Sword, Ice Sword, Rune Sword, Sun Sword, and Were Sword) do not do so
due to buggy programming.

Phantasy Star 1 really has no buggy programming. Final Fantasy was a boring piece of crap with a spoon fed plot.

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

Phantasy Star 1 really has no buggy programming. Final Fantasy was a boring piece of crap with a spoon fed plot.

Eh, I didn't think much of the PS1 plot either -- thought it was a bit bland for my liking.

[Abominae]

Buggy weapons and spells? At least they had more than a handful for each. Imagine my surprise to find that once I had Myau's armor/weapon set that he/she/it was already topped out. I was really disappointed with that little shortcoming.

Final Fantasy had much more varied and creatively designed creatures than Phantasy Star (the PS dragons looked very cheesy). As a matter of fact, most of the PS monsters were pretty cheesy looking. (Go ahead... I dare you to say that Lich looked stupid).

As for the weapon animations, it was more than the "Cutting/Shooting" effect across the body of the enemy. They animated the actual weapons. And not just one sprite per weapon style, but one for each weapon (I always loved that). My favorite cast was nuke, but I really liked how they did the Fire/Ice/Lit lines.

By "Actual characters instead of templates" I'm assuming you mean the profile pic of the characters. Yeah, I can see how that might be a preferance, but I would still take animated battle sprites for my heroes than profile pics. That's just me tho.

Spoon fed plot eh? That's pretty interesting considering how many different aspects you were given in Final Fantasy rather than just the linear "Go hear because you must" of Phantasy Star 1. I still haven't beaten the f***ing game because I keep losing interest in it then coming back only to find that I have forgotten what my current objective is or even where I'm supposed to go. I've had to look up the FAQ one too many times just to get back on track for me to call PS 1 anything but a well polished turd.

And I still haven't beaten the damn game...

Now, if this were an argument over Phantasy Star 4 versus Final Fantasy 4... I'd probably start spitting up blood before I could make up my mind... such is my love for both utterly amazing games.... But in Final Fantasy versus Phantasy Star... no contest at all... Final Fantasy.

[The HuBBs]

i will agree that FF1 is better than ps1 in many ways. A psuedo 3D dungeon view and one or two animated monster sprites on one screen isn't what keeps me in a game.

[BenoitRen]

Buggy weapons and spells? At least they had more than a handful for each. Imagine my surprise to find that once I had Myau's armor/weapon set that he/she/it was already topped out. I was really disappointed with that little shortcoming.

I thought we were talking about RPGs, not shopping malls.

Final Fantasy had much more varied and creatively designed creatures than Phantasy Star

But they weren't animated.

By "Actual characters instead of templates" I'm assuming you mean the profile pic of the characters.

No, I mean all of it. We had characters that had reasons for fighting, that actually talked, had their own sprites, growth and picture.

Spoon fed plot eh? That's pretty interesting considering how many different aspects you were given in Final Fantasy rather than just the linear "Go hear because you must" of Phantasy Star 1. I still haven't beaten the f***ing game because I keep losing interest in it then coming back only to find that I have forgotten what my current objective is or even where I'm supposed to go.

It's non-linear. Also, your bad memory is your own fault.

Also, the backgrounds in Final Fantasy are quite poor. Phantasy Star's are well done.

Phantasy Star has the issue of not being able to select your target in battle. However, Final Fantasy has the more annoying issue of not redirecting targets. Say both Fighter and Black Belt attack enemy A. Black Belt kills enemy A, and Fighter attacks thin air instead of enemy B.

[Abominae]

You didn't have to start whining about it (the shopping mall comment. Low and poorely thought out)

It was the variety of weapons that I loved (and still one of my favorite RPG aspects). And armor too. Swords, shields, armor, helms, etc. I appreciate a decent variety of armor/weapons. And the Final Fantasy series has NEVER disappointed me (note: I've played 1-9)

I've played Phantasy Star 1 and I've played Final Fantasy 1. PS1 just doesn't stand up at all, in my opinion

[BenoitRen]

As if you weren't whining about Myau's limited weapon and armor selection. Please.

Variety is a nice bonus, but it has no place in deciding what is the better game. In the end they're still tools for "numbers going up lol". You never even see the effect of equipping different armor in the first place.

This variety is only important in action/RPGs and MMORPGs.

In the end I find it quite silly that you gripe about all these little things. Phantasy Star is quite a unique RPG, all things considered. Final Fantasy, though having nice ideas and some polish like the weapon animations you mention, ends up rather formulaic and generic as a genre entry.

[Abominae]

Regardless... I got several more hours of addicted fun out of Final Fantasy than Phantasy Star.

In my eyes, Phantasy Star falls short of being a game worth comparing to Final Fantasy. I'm still not done with Phantasy Star, but when I am, it'll be the last f***ing time I play that game ever.

The rest of the PS series? That's an entirely different question... except maybe PS3... Maybe 1 more run thru that game, that'll probably be it. But I'm still making notches in my belt for PS2 & 4.

Final Fantasy? I've only found Final Fantasy 2 (not American 2/Japan 4) to be the one game that couldn't hold my attention. Hell, I still play FF1 on occassion just because I think it's that great of a game.

I knew coming into a PS site that there'd be some biased. But I'd like you to know that my comparison between Final Fantasy 1 and Phantasy Star 1 is ENTIRELY how I feel about the games. I just do NOT like Phantasy Star 1. I was very much hooked on the game at the beggining, but after about the 5th hour... it became tedious and has been nothing BUT a patience test ever since. I don't care for the game in the least and have only vowed to finish the game simply because it bears the Phantasy Star name AND is the original PS game (I still fully intend to play the rest of them).

But, it's like in a conversation I had with a friend. He claimed that the LOTR movie trilogy sucked it hard and I nearly drop kicked him for it. I thought the movies were absolutely awesome and that he was totally full of s*** (he is most of the time anyway, so it's commonly a safe assumption). He argued that the movies were simply too long and that they had elements of the movie that had nothing to do with the book.

I told him, like I'm telling you, "I don't give a f***. I happend to enjoy the s*** out of it, it's one of my favorite games/movies and if that's a problem for you, that's your problem."



I worded it much more vulgerly than that, but since I don't take your opinion personally, I'll abstain from that.



If you really want to help me see what makes PS such a great game, try telling me what you thought were the best elements of the game instead of why FF sucked. I know FF had it's problems, but I loved the f*** out of it anyway.

As of right now, I don't like Phantasy Star 1. It's on my list of games that I'd recommend a person avoid.

[BenoitRen]

The way you word your posts, it seemed like you were some self-appointed gameplay expert who claimed that it was fact that Final Fantasy is great and Phantasy Star sucks. :/

Anyway, I tried to be fair. In the end I still like Phantasy Star a lot, and can't bear to play through Final Fantasy.

Do you play the original Final Fantasy on NES these days, or one of the remakes?

[Abominae]

Well, I do try to keep from sounding like a blubbering jackass who doesn't know his head from his ass... Sounds like I came across as more of an ass tho

Anyway, I play the original. I have played the remake and I really liked it alot (I even wanna get the DS remake) but I primarily play the NES original, despite it's flaws. I dunno... there's just something about the game that I really like! I would have loved to have seen it with only the graphics update (*sigh* okay, music too...) and bug fixes... but all in all the remake was worth the money... FF2 felt like a (Well, if you didn't like part one, try this steaming load of crap)

of course, part 3 was better than either 1 or two.

And FF4 owns

FF5? eh... it was 'aight.

FF6 - I loved it... but I don't think I could play thru it more than a few times. I'm up to 4x right now...

FF7 is the game that cemented Squares place in the parthenon of gaming Gods (okay, it was probably chrono trigger, but ff7 broke out to appeal to more than just the regular gamers)

ff8 was decent. I had it, didn't play thru it for too long tho. Kinda got bored with it.

FF9 - I thought it was great. Not amazing tho... Still worth more than a few play thrus

FF10? watched my brother play thru it... I might do the same some day, but I have no plans right now...

FF10-2 it's in my brothers room right now... I just don't have any interest in playing it.

the rest I haven't tried. I want to get those PSP FF games. The FF7 prequel and whatever 12/13 sequel/prequel whatever it is. I saw the screen shots and thought it had much promise. We'll see...


Phantasy Star 1 - Nothing. I would only recommend it to hardcore RPG/Phatasy Star fans.

PS2 - a Legend, pure and simple. It has it's own room in Val Halla.

PS3 - Good for a run thru but that damn silly battle music pissed me off enough to put it away for a while tho.

PS4 - I just adored it. it's the only game that's come close to my FF4 play thru count.



FFTactics versus PSO Ep.3 C.A.R.D. evolution

Do you even have to ask? Now, we might have something worth arguing over if we were talking FFTactics Advance versus PSO Ep.3

[Lord Khyron]

Loves FF1 but dislikes ff2? All ff2 is is ff1 with a strange leveling system.

Kinda hypocritical it seems.

[The HuBBs]

ff2 is nothing like ff1 at all.

[Abominae]

I second Hubbs opinion.

Lord Khryon, do you purposely log on to get into an argument?

I've played FF1 & 2 AND the remakes of both... Neither set is alike. WTF?