Proof that DarkFalz is eternal and why he can exist after ps

[Monocromatico]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><p>"seal" has more meanings than just lock away. Just sealing the Profound Darkness would be worthless when the message is freeing Algol from evil for once and for all.<br></blockquote><p>Not necessarily. I see it as the the episode when you first meet the greatest evil force of Algol. I expect to see it breaking free and going on an open battle with the last protectors, who will destroy it in our own dimension. That would be a good final point of the series, and I wouldn´t expect a PS VI to come after that, like I´ve been waiting PSV for years.

[Benoit]

And exactly how do you think they would destroy it? If the Elsydeon can't, no weapon can.<br>And then it wouldn't be the last Phantasy Star game.

[Monocromatico]

They would find a way, and it would be brilliant and unexpected. They would find out everything that wasn´t explained in the other games. I wouldn´t mind seeing all the former Protectors coming back in the final battle either. <p>We know that there are many holes that weren´t fulfilled yet. We just need something to answer the questions they left floating in the air (and get rid of the - mostly - horrible fanmade theories about everything).

[Siren]

<blockquote>It kinda proves my point that, at least, Elsydeon and the Nei Sword aren´t the same weapon. <i>originally posted by Monocromatico</i> <br></blockquote> <p>No? Than why does Elsydeon carry Rolf's memories? It doesn't make sense that they are different.<p>Personally, I think that the Nei Sword was a transformed version Alis's Laconian Sword, Elsydeon, though it is still Elsydeon. Perhaps it was transformed through the word of power, "Nei", or perhaps somehow Nei's death was catalystic to the sword's fully attained power.<p>It would also stand to reason that the Nei Sword remained in the Esper Mansion after the battle with Mother Brain, untill Chaz claimed it.

[LaconianShot]

*nods*<p>Perhaps Alis's Laconian Sword was NAMED Elsydeon. Then, the power of Nei changed it...tapped into it's power, if you will. It was changed from Laconia to an unknown material...so they called it Nei Sword. It's name, Elsydeon, was probably not disclosed in the game, because it was not yet part of the plot that was conceived. So we can say that Alis's Laconian Sword, Rolf's Nei Sword and Chaz's Elsydeon are one and the same.<p>However, the third generation of Rhys' Nei Sword was NOT the same as Rolf's Nei Sword...once again, the power of the word Nei tapped into the power of legendary material (YES, the weapons were that of Protectors) and made them strong enough to beat DF.

[Monocromatico]

I took the words from the Compendium. It makes reference to Nei Sword AND Elsydeon, as two separate entities. Other wise, we would find ourselves in an ambiguous situation:<p>If Elsydeon and Nei Sword are the same, is Elsydeon an upgraded version of Nei Sword (which would make the Nei Sword a downgraded version of Alis´ Sword... why?), or is it the downgraded version of Nei Sword (again... why?).

[LaconianShot]

Obviously, you didn't read (or pay much attention) to my post. I said that perhaps the sword was named Elsydeon.<p> <blockquote>(which would make the Nei Sword a downgraded version of Alis´ Sword... why?), or is it the downgraded version of Nei Sword (again... why?).</blockquote> <p>No, I said that it the word of Nei probably <i>upgraded</i> Alis's Laconian Sword to a Nei Sword, and it's <i>name</i> was Elsydeon. Where do you get anything about downgrading, especially when I said that it tapped into it's power?

[Siren]

The compendium probably states the two weapons seperately because it's a game reference. It's there purely to define the weapon for what it is in the game. The reference isolates it from any other influence that PS4 may provide, therefore the presence of two definitions neither confirms nor disproves our theory.<p>However...<p>Elsydeon holding Rolf's memories does.

[Siren]

As an afterthought, though PSIV calls the Nei Sword "Elsydeon", that could be because, over time, it became known by a different name, though not at all changing what the sword is.

[HuBBsDoctor]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><p>What you forget, Lord Khyron, is that this counts for PSO, and not for the original series.<br>Le Roof even contradicts what Flowen said, since Dark Force can't come back without the Profound Darkness, who is DEAD.<br></blockquote><p>But yet in PS3 which is said to take place if I'm mistaken after PS4, DF still exists.

[Benoit]

The Dark Force of PSIII came into existence long before the Profound Darkness was killed.

[Siren]

<blockquote><i>originally posted by HuBBsDoctor </i><p>But yet in PS3 which is said to take place if I'm mistaken after PS4, DF still exists.<br></blockquote> <p>That's because, like Benoit said, PSIII's Dark Force came into existence before the Profound Darkness was destroyed.<p>Furthermore, Laya and Orakio didn't kill Dark Force, so there was no need for him to be revived. <p>By the way, this thread seems to be travelling in circles, because I could swear I've said this to Lord Khyron.

[Lord Khyron]

If you add up the facts in the compendium, Lutz realizes the gate made by Lashiec will never fully close and in 1000 years DF will come back, Lutz and his followers make the NEI weapons to defeat DF when he arises.<p>Elsydeon could be a gift from the great light for if the need ever came to seal the PD away.<p>Since the GL sealed it away to begin with, the GL is dead. Who will seal it away again?<p>Simple: ELSYDEON will seal it away.<p>I think Elsydeon was created to house the souls of dead protectors to give it strength. Sort of a paradise in a sword as repayment for sacrifice. Nei, Rolf, Alis are all in it as a reward. They fought in life hard, and in death they still protect the system.<p>And since the Nei Weapons can briefly defeat DF, They would be useless after PS 2. With the widespread commotion of the Great Collapse and the subsequescent landing of DOMED SHIPS from palma on Mota and Dezo..<p>I think Lutz had too much to do to care for the Nei weapons anymore. AFter all, None of the dungeons exist in PS IV.<p>So are they still there and the knowledge of Nei weapons forgotten?<p>P.S. The Espers are not so isolated if by PS IV, people know of their existence.

[HuBBsDoctor]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><p>The Dark Force of PSIII came into existence long before the Profound Darkness was killed.<br></blockquote><p>But still someone said that DF cannot exist without the aid of the PD. And if she cannot exist, he cannot exist. Especialy 100's of years after she is killed. He shouldve withered away and died.

[LaconianShot]

There's a hell of a lot of speculation going on! %)