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I detest able-bodied people who commit suicide, especially those who are gifted, come from good families, have a good career, etc. It's not like they're terminally ill or anything like that.

Just recently on the internet, I happened to come across a topic on some emo-infested AS (Asperger's Syndrome) site where some person with AS committed suicide. My response was that he's a fucking coward to take the easy way out. Then I'm getting all this bullshit from the residents there, saying that I'm out of line and all that. Meh.

What cracked me up amongst the feedback I was receiving was that somebody there called me a worthless piece of shit. Now if I were a worthless piece of shit, I would feel suicidal, which I don't. I'm not the most confident person in the world, but I am content with my life.

Some people online need to actually do something worthwhile with their lives instead of lamenting over what happened in their past lives. Lay off the meds and grow some balls.

The internet is serious business.

I'd post something valuable, but it'd only be what you said.

Not everyone who commits suicide is on meds or lacks male gonads. As far as being cowardly, it may most of the time be a way to run from a problem, but the problem usually involves some really harsh catalyst that results in suicide being the choice of action.

Obviously, mocking anyone who has commited suicide, or mocking the family and friends of those who have been affected by it shows a complete blindness to the harsh realities of our modern world, and the effects of those realities on the human mind.

Neo48 wrote:Not everyone who commits suicide is on meds or lacks male gonads. As far as being cowardly, it may most of the time be a way to run from a problem, but the problem usually involves some really harsh catalyst that results in suicide being the choice of action.

Yes, and what an astute method to solve that problem: forgo your life, your existence.

I don't see why disapproving someone committing suicide is considered to be a primitive opinion these days. I'd be pretty pissed off if one of my close friends and relatives decides to kick the bucket and call it a night. It shows that they have no appreciation for the people who care about them. But that doesn't matter because it's narrow-minded; it's ultimately a bad thing.

Who cares about the adage: "Where there's a will there's a way"? No matter if it's mild or severe, or if you're on medication for it, depression is only truly conquered by the person who's suffering from it. That person is the only one who'd be able to take one step forward. Even a qualified psychologist would tell you this.

Neo48 wrote:Obviously, mocking anyone who has committed suicide, or mocking the family and friends of those who have been affected by it shows a complete blindness to the harsh realities of our modern world, and the effects of those realities on the human mind.

Obviously, exhibiting lack of pride or self-respect of one's self shows a complete disregard of coping in the harsh realities of the modern world.

Well, it kept me alive so far.

Yes, and what an astute method to solve that problem: forgo your life, your existence.

I don't see why disapproving someone committing suicide is considered to be a primitive opinion these days. I'd be pretty pissed off if one of my close friends and relatives decides to kick the bucket and call it a night. It shows that they have no appreciation for the people who care about them. But that doesn't matter because it's narrow-minded; it's ultimately a bad thing.

But openly calling someone a fucking coward without much of their backstory is a very poor arguement against the topic of suicide.

Who cares about the adage: "Where there's a will there's a way"? No matter if it's mild or severe, or if you're on medication for it, depression is only truly conquered by the person who's suffering from it. That person is the only one who'd be able to take one step forward. Even a qualified psychologist would tell you this.

Yes, a Psycologist would say that. However, isn't the will the only thing one can use to find the way?

Obviously, exhibiting lack of pride or self-respect of one's self shows a complete disregard of coping in the harsh realities of the modern world.

Sometimes the cas, but not always. Pride and self-respect don't keep you alive, being able to use those aspects in a gratifying way are what keep a mind stable.

Neo48 wrote:

Yes, and what an astute method to solve that problem: forgo your life, your existence.

I don't see why disapproving someone committing suicide is considered to be a primitive opinion these days. I'd be pretty pissed off if one of my close friends and relatives decides to kick the bucket and call it a night. It shows that they have no appreciation for the people who care about them. But that doesn't matter because it's narrow-minded; it's ultimately a bad thing.

But openly calling someone a fucking coward without much of their backstory is a very poor arguement against the topic of suicide.

Oh, fuck me. I don't know him, so therefore my opinion is automatically invalid. Well, that will be hard because it's the internet and this guy lived on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. Even if his circumstances were dire, despite not knowing about them, my point was that there are always way out options. Always.

I know of people who have had shitty pasts and are still alive. I bet his issues didn't come close to what my associates have experienced, so he's the fool for exaggerating his issues, no matter what they were. I don't care, I just think there's a better option other than suicide.

As for your will rebuttal, if he had the will to kill himself (it takes a lot to do this), then he also had the will to find a way out. At the end of the day, it's ultimately his choice to decide whether to live or to die. The world will continue to move on regardless.

His exit was premature though. (The guy was 20.)

Do you even understand how AS works or affects a person?

I could say on the opposite that, disabled people aren't always the ones to be sad for.
They are indeed quite lucky getting everyone's attention just because of their wheel chair, getting to skip all the lines, having the best places to park their car, and they will always have the respect of everyone as, if they were to be shouted at by anyone, that anyone would automaticaly be considered to be an idiot or a retard.
Plus they'll always have a story to tell like "oh well, since I am disabled, I have to move on and learn to dress myself alone"
And everyone would be something like "oooh you are soooo brave."


As you can see, what I've written here is quite a nonsense as I am deliberatly occulting the fact that it's hard to be disabled (how could I know or judge, I've never been in that situation). To me, the same could be said for suicidal persons because without knowing someone's situation I presume you can't judge.
In some cases, being emotionaly handicaped with noone to be friend with could be harder than being paraplegic I presume.

The HuBBs wrote:Do you even understand how AS works or affects a person?

As good as you, sir; he also has Asperger's.

Edless wrote:I could say on the opposite that, disabled people aren't always the ones to be sad for.
They are indeed quite lucky getting everyone's attention just because of their wheel chair (snip)

That only goes for disabilities people can see and relate with. People with a hearing disability are made fun of. People with developmental disabilities are made fun of. And so on. For those people it's twice as hard.

That said, I still agree with Peegai. Suicide is a cowardly act that harms the person's relatives.

"Life sucks, I quit."

Why should we weep? The person chose to die. It was not a natural death, and he didn't die because of a disease, bad heart, or similar conditions. He just took his own life.

Oh, * me. I don't know him, so therefore my opinion is automatically invalid. Well, that will be hard because it's the internet and this guy lived on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. Even if his circumstances were dire, despite not knowing about them, my point was that there are always way out options. Always.

I'm not trying to say your opinions are invalid, but it's not going to help a person who contemplates suicide.

I'm sure everyone here would agree that suicide is the wrong way to handle difficulties in life (most of the time). However, a frayed mind (no matter whose friends/family they are) will often look for the easy way out, and go through with it. The only way to help these people is through assistance, not critcism.

People should have no reason to mourn someone they turned a blind eye to while they cried for help and yet they do and expect pity and sympathy for them, not the deceased, and lash out at those that do not.

People also have no reason to attack the deceased nor the people that truly mourn or just thrive on the attention of having known the dead. The dead should be left alone and living should not have things purposely thrown at them that could likely drive them over an edge as well, especially from those that knew nothing of the situation.

As for the dead, I pity and envy them. I pity them for the fact that they were driven to take their own life, and envy them as they, as far as I know, no longer suffer. However I will not mourn or mock them and the ones that were affected.

It depends on your opinions on whether existence actually ends at death as well. I don't. Existence only ends at total erasure, which is scientifically impossible. I'll only be recycled as something else if I die, so I know I can't get out of existence that way.

I think suicide to protest against a cause, or as martyrdom, is a brave act. You are not being selfish, you are sacrificing your life for something you believe in. If you care about that cause more than you care about your own life, that is testament to your devotion.

Even if I am a coward and I am only committing suicide for a way out, that's my decision to make. I don't have to be perfectly virtuous. I can see where people are coming from when they say it will hurt my relatives, but my relatives want me to do a lot of things contrary to my interests. It hurts them that I don't act in their interests, it would hurt me a lot to do as they say. When my life should end is an important decision, and ultimately, it's my life and my decision.

Not that I actually want to kill myself... but I would consider it as a contingency plan. If I was paralysed by a serious illness or accident, and I couldn't do the things I wanted to do in life, like play computer games and annoy bureaucrats, I would see no further value to my life and I would want to end it.

I think suicide to protest against a cause, or as martyrdom, is a brave act. You are not being selfish, you are sacrificing your life for something you believe in.

To quote Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia: "What will you achieve by dying? Nothing."

Not that I actually want to kill myself... but I would consider it as a contingency plan. If I was paralysed by a serious illness or accident, and I couldn't do the things I wanted to do in life, like play computer games and annoy bureaucrats, I would see no further value to my life and I would want to end it.

I agree. There are many illnesses and handicaps out there that I would rather not have to deal with if they would follow me for life. Complete paralysis is one example where I do not think I would be able to handle living with myself. Some people can deal with it in their lives, depending on what dampers it puts on their lives. Because it would for sure be a horrendous thing for say a parent of young children to become fully paralyzed. A lot of child development comes in learning through physical situations.

Suiciding for a cause however, that is a bit of a stretch. Many terrorist activities are suicide for a "cause". But, what I believe is totally wrong, they believe is totally right.

Neo48 wrote:
I'm sure everyone here would agree that suicide is the wrong way to handle difficulties in life (most of the time). However, a frayed mind (no matter whose friends/family they are) will often look for the easy way out, and go through with it. The only way to help these people is through assistance, not critcism.

Exactly. The unfortunate thing is that most people these days seem to be so tied up with themselves and their own concerns that they don't take the time to consider other people, or how they may be impacting on someone else's life. These people need to know that someone out there actually gives a flying monkey's about them, not to be ignored and criticised when they do end up taking the only way out that they can see.

However, I prefer to look at things like this on a case-by-case basis. For example, I've seen terminal illness mentioned somewhere here as well. Personally, if I had terminal disease, with no cure and no hope of getting better - the only option would be to improve my "quality of life" by means of reducing the pain, etc until I eventually died. I would prefer to die with some dignity left, and this also could relate to assisted suicide/euthanasia. In cases like these, I find it perfectly understandable - I'm going to be qualifying as a veterinary surgeon in about two years time, and it's something that I will have to deal with on a day-to-day basis in animals. I know it's not the same, but the veterinary profession has the highest rate of suicide, or it's among the top five, so it is something I'm likely to come up against at some point in my life, whether it's me myself, or a colleague/friend.

In my opinion, it's difficult to make a blanket statement like "suicide is wrong and cowardly" or the opposite. This is not my opinion, and I would always say "but it really depends on the situation." For example killing yourself in protest or to be a "martyr" is one thing I disagree with, it's a waste of life and as BenoitRen's quote said, it's not likely to achieve anything, and what would it matter if you're not around to see what difference you made?