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I say yes, because a) Lutz could teleport them at will, and b) there's no remnant of the Earthmen left by Phantasy Star IV.

What say ye?

I have always believed that they didn't survive the battle. Granted Lutz could teleport them out, in Phantasy Star IV there is no remnants of any of the heroes (none of them had children and Rolf had no bloodline to carry on, which you think would have happened if they had survived as the developers would want to keep Alis' line alive). There aren't even so much as a MENTION of the heroes in Phantasy Star IV, but there is mention of Alis. This tells me that Rolf and company didn't live to tell their tale to people, so nobody in Algo really knew what happened that day.

It's not to say that Rolf and company didn't take the earthmen down with him. There is no indication of Earthlings as well. There was always a theory that went around that Tyler lent a hand in taking down the spaceship Noah from outside. He was probably under orders from Lutz to wait until Dark Force and Mother Brain were defeated until he would make his move.

It is under my assumption that after two intense battles, Rolf and company would have been moreso overwhelmed by hundreds of earthmen attacking them at once. But I am sure everybody took as many as they could down with them.

After having read what you have written , MrStarbird, yes and unfortunately it seems that Rolf and the others weren't able to succeed in surviving as there are no traces of them or descendants or even memories of them in Phantasy Star IV (alas !), as there was for Alisa, Myau and Lutz (but none tied to Tyrone/Odin, that for me was a shame ! Why did he have been forgotten ? )
And no earthmen too so maybe all the people in the Spaceship Noah were doomed to die at the end...

That is why I think Tyler managed to blow the ship out of the sky with the Landale. Perhaps after that battle, he landed on Dezo, disarmed the ship, buried it, and formed the town of Tyler.

I think Tyler was Shir's boyfriend. That's where she goes when she steals from a store in Dezo.

Anyway, is Alys Brangwin a descendant of Rolf (and by extension, Alis)? I've always thought that it's possible. We know very little about her backstory, and she's very secretive about it, yet she's considered a Protector despite never fighting Dark Force.

MrStarbird wrote:That is why I think Tyler managed to blow the ship out of the sky with the Landale. Perhaps after that battle, he landed on Dezo, disarmed the ship, buried it, and formed the town of Tyler.

That is a possibility and I often forget that Tyler was an important character, tied to both PSII and IV ! We know that he was the founder of the town that have his name in the fourth one (if I'm not mistaken) and is tied to the Landale/Landeel ship : it's a parmanian town in Dezolis (like was Skure in the first one ) founded by Tyler, and someone in this village refers to him as "The great leader Tyler". He is the founder as another people says, about the grave : "the grave of the first chief of this village"
And then maybe that was like you try to explain it, MrStarbird ! An interesting explanation !

Tyler most definitely founded the town of Tyler. That's indisputable. What other role(s) he played is less clear.

Regarding Odin, if you choose Gryz as your final character, he has Odin's axe.

etony33 wrote:Tyler most definitely founded the town of Tyler. That's indisputable. What other role(s) he played is less clear.

Regarding Odin, if you choose Gryz as your final character, he has Odin's axe.

Yeah, Tyler is still a mystery but based on the fact that he was a space pirate, saved Rolf from death, "knew" about Lutz (though never said anything specific), and the gravestone calling Tyler a "Great Leader". To me, unless he had done something really special, people wouldn't have labeled him a great leader.

is that the name of the axe in the Japanese version? Because in the US release he has the Laconian Axe equipped at the end (keeping in mind that Laconia was fairly common by this time, so I am guessing it was NOT the same Laconian Axe that Odin used) and he can get the Defeat Axe (or even Blood Axe if you hack the game), but nowhere at least in the US version does he get Odin's Axe.

No, some people just assume Gryz got Odin's axe because it's also a laconian axe. Which isn't that unreasonable, because there's no laconia on Motavia.

There may be no Laconia on Motavia, but it's not without reason that there could have been some left behind. Gryz gets all the Laconia gear, two pieces which are widely available (Mail and Helmet) and Seth also comes with a Laconia Dagger. There is no reason to think that either of them got to Dezolis as well. There's a few theories which could get people thinking, but it's just one of those that I never really thought about.

I'm not sure that Seth having a Laconian Dagger really means anything, since Seth is, well...

I feel like Tyler is the descendant of Odin. Tairaa, Tairon. (Tyler, Tyrone) They're both handsome, muscular blond men. I feel like it'd been confirmed somewhere, too, but I could be wrong.

Hmmm. Interesting thought.

I'd think Odin's natural successor would be Rudo, though

Hmmm... Never thought of Tyler being a descendant of Odin. It would make sense. I mean it would make sense for Rudo as well, but just in the naming of Tyler it is a bit more believable. It would explain how Lutz has communication with Tyler as well as Rolf as they are both descendants of the people he fought with a thousand years past.