Is Lutz... Noah?

[Gipper]

I only meant that just because one was made in a different language, doen't make it invalid. If that were true, than no one would have oil outside of the middle east, because what ins't domestic wouldn't count.

[Malakai]

It's should be so simple it boggles the mind! Once again referring to the first response of this thread, the whole argument is based upon an error in translation. It is pointless to argue in favor of the english version and 'split continuity' theory because in the first place the error is in the english version, therefore the Japanese PS games do hold a stronger position since they were produced FIRST and doesn't confuse the story! Logic, people, logic!<p>And Gipper, that's awesome.

[Gipper]

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[Monocromatico]

Heh, and we are not even talking about Noah´s gender.<p>I know he is consistently a guy in the portuguese version.

[Dorrinal Blackmantle]

There's the main reason why we're going nowhere... you all still think that it's still a "theory" but take a look at what Gipper said again - you don't think the US version is invalid?<p>The Japanese version is not "stronger" "more important" or "canon". It's a different game. And it is equally as valid as the Japanese version. Since our discussion is based on the (admittedly foolish) name change to "Noah" in the English version, the English version is the game that we must consider. You can't prove anything about the English version using the Japanese version.<p>And don't give me crap about "translation error". It's not like someone at SEGA tapped the wrong key on the keyboard and "Lutz" became "Noah". Those who know both Japanese and English (PeaGuy?) can verify that the characters for "Lutz" and "Noah" are sufficiently different as to not be confused with each other. It was a deliberate change for seemingly no good reason.<p>Mono, Brazilians are lucky if they got a more literal translation <br>

[Lord Khyron]

The point is that PS IV proves that LUTZ was with Alisa.<p>LUTZ is in PS 2 after 1000 years.<p>Therefore Noah = Lutz. <p>The First Generation Lutz was with Alisa. NOAH was with Alisa, so therefore Noah = Lutz.<p>It is simple math. You cannot disregard PS IV just because you don't like it using the name "Lutz"<p>Names are changed all the time. Does anime with a changed name make a new continuity? No it doesn't. <p>If you disregard PS IV, then you have no point to argue for the games are chronological. <p>Hell, in PS 2, they purposely changed the CLAWS to BARS. Does that make it a new continuity?<p>What about the name changes in PS 3? Is Ps 3 not valid?<p>P.S. I can use PS 1, 2 and 4 - The ENGLISH GAMES to prove Noah = Lutz. <p>You haven't proved that he isn't, using any of the games. <p><p>[size=small][Edit by Lord Khyron on [TIME]1114792209[/TIME]][/size]

[Dorrinal Blackmantle]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Lord Khyron</i><p>The point is that PS IV proves that LUTZ was with Alisa.<p>LUTZ is in PS 2 after 1000 years.<p>Therefore Noah = Lutz. <p>The First Generation Lutz was with Alisa. NOAH was with Alisa, so therefore Noah = Lutz.</blockquote><p>No, you made a jump there.<p>The First Generation Lutz (FGL) was with Alis (Alisa is the Japanese name, stick to the same game). Therefore Noah = FGL.<p>Since there is no explicit connection, PS2's Lutz could still be Second Generation Lutz. So:<p>Noah = FGL<br>FGL != PS2Lutz<br>Noah != PS2Lutz<p>Now that brings you up to date with the rest of us, Khyron. No one's arguing that Noah is not first generation. How do you prove that the Lutz in PS2 is also the First Generation Lutz, and therefore Noah? (hint: it can't be done. SEGA is a pain in the ass.)<br>

[ThePeaGuy]

<br><blockquote><i>Originally posted by Dorrinal Blackmantle</i><p>Now that brings you up to date with the rest of us, Khyron. No one's arguing that Noah is not first generation. How do you prove that the Lutz in PS2 is also the First Generation Lutz, and therefore Noah? (hint: it can't be done. SEGA is a pain in the ass.)<p></blockquote><p>*cough* cryogenic container *cough*

[Dorrinal Blackmantle]

You know, I bet even a second generation Lutz sure could use a cryogenic chamber so he can wake up every 10 years to protect Algo.

[Lord Khyron]

The crygoenic chamber. Peaguy has it right. That Lutz has been sleeping for 1000 years, waking up every 10 years. <p>Whether he is the second or the first generation doesn't matter. He is still LUTZ.

[Dorrinal Blackmantle]

Khyron, you got a smart guy like PeaGuy on your side, and you still miss the point!

[ThePeaGuy]

Khyron, I was trying to prove there that it was the first-generation Lutz that slept in the container, not the second-generation one. <br><p>[size=small][Edit by ThePeaGuy on [TIME]1114800311[/TIME]][/size]

[Benoit]

Please read more carefully, Khyron...<p>I'm not argueing that the US version is completely invalid, but it's an adaptation. A different point of view, if you want. But there are not two continuities. That's bullshit.<p>I already proved that the Lutz of PSII is the first generation Lutz!<br>It was in the second post of this thread. Don't overlook it.<br>I'll quote one of the Espers in the Esper Mansion of PSII again:<br><blockquote> - The glorious man who used to fight to save Algo is buried here.</blockquote>

[ThePeaGuy]

But Neer's a gurl! ;p

[Dorrinal Blackmantle]

Right. Noah's grave. They're not referring to Lutz.<p>or<p>Lutz also fights to save Algo. They are not referring to the events of PS1.