Why not Phantasy Star?

[Gipper]

<blockquote>Yet you still say Phantasy Star III is a Phantasy Star</blockquote> <p>No, I don't. If you had read my message, you would have seen that I said it was a sidetrack, and that the story had logical progression between PSI, PSII, and PSIV. PSIII has no bearing on Phantasy Star either, but at least it tried to stay true to what the other three games had involved in them. PSIII had a decent reason for being away from Algo, namely the ships had escaped from Palma. It is a cousin of Phantasy Star, unlike PSO which is a total stranger.<br><p>[size=small][Edit by Gipper on [TIME]1109795170[/TIME]][/size]

[Lord Khyron]

<blockquote>Also, if the very first game failed, why would the second game be made? <p></blockquote> <p>WHy so so many crappy games get sequels when they don't deserve sequels?<p>Simple! They try to improve what was lacking in the first one.<p>ff2 for the NEs was worse than FF1, and then 3 was slightly better than one.<p>You make a sequel to make up for the bad quality of the first game. Sometimes, the sequels suck too. <p>Easy to figure out..<p>Alot of unpopular things get sequels.

[LaconianShot]

PSIII is not a "cousin" to PS. That's simply an uneducated thought. I'll explain why.<br>Let's assume that you're pre-PSIV. You have no clue that PSIII doesn't fit into the context of PSII and PSIV. Now, isn't it logical, in this frame of mind, to say that PSIII fits perfectly? Why, yes it is! PSIII is a complete follow up to PSII. Whether it stays in Algol or not is irrelevant... it makes sense in it's place. It has just as much validity as PSIV. Think of PSII as a fork in the road... PSIII is one direction and PSIV is the other. One is a more direct sequel in terms of setting, but that does not make it any more valid. The only difference is that PSIV is the end of the series.

[ThePeaGuy]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Lord Khyron</i><p>Actually, if you look at the ff games..<p>The ones that made the series the most famous were 2 and 3 for the SNES.<p>ff1 was ridiculous and boring as hell. I only beat it once through and even I got sick of it.<p>2 and 3 for the SNES is what made the series famous. <br></blockquote><p>I disagree there, I think it's Final Fantasy VII that made the RPG series a popular brand worldwide. <p>Hironobu Sakaguchi, the director of the Final Fantasy, originally wanted to go into the movie business after Final Fantasy was created, which was going to be his last project with Square, ironically.<p>With the disk storage space capacity of the Sony CD-ROM games console that is backed by successful marketing, the Playstation, allowed Sakaguchi to create FMV (Full-Motion Video) sequences into his games that explains the storyline to the player -- which is the most praised element of the game (and is also featured in other main Final Fantasy titles after VII).<p>Full-Motion Video sequences, coupled with a terrible plot that tried too hard to be cool, Sephiroth raising his arms up high all the time like he's Jesus, and out-of-balance gameplay, Final Fantasy VII made the RPG genre popular to 'mainstream' gamers worldwide. <p>Edit: Yes, the last paragraph of my message was mocking Final Fantasy VII.<p><p>[size=small][Edit by ThePeaGuy on [TIME]1109884075[/TIME]][/size]

[Arkhan]

FF was made popular by FF7 for the idiotic culture, and popular by the intelligent around FF1 / FF2 depending on tastes.<p>FF1 is a nice game to play just because of how innovative it WAS....making your own custom party, and ..the music is fun!<p>I do admit, PS1 is far better though.<p>Also, how can you say PS3 DOESNT fit in with Phantasy Star......<p>I do believe when Phantasy Star was made that they didnt intend for all the games w/ the same title to have to pertain exactly to one set story.....The creators are allowed to give games w/ the same name that dont have the same plot...think about it.<p>Its still a Sci-Fi/Fantasy Mix w/ really pretty music, and an interesting story line.......just because it isnt following the algol story doesnt mean it sucks......Personally its my favorite. I dont know why.

[ROMeo]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Arkhan</i><br>FF was made popular by FF7 for the idiotic culture</blockquote><p>I beg to differ. <p>Not exactly for the idiotic culture. FF7 was so popular because it was the first true 32bit RPG AND launched as a product for the masses, which maxed perfectly with $ony's marketing image, which addressed to the general public, making itself as popular as old 8bit NES.<p>Also, while ARC The Lad came first, not only it was more of a 16bit game on steroids to me, but it was too much of a traditional RPG, thus appealing only to RPG fans (also, if it EVER got to the americas, I never knew). FF7 on the other hand, was projected to a more general audience, and so as people who used to disdain videogames before were introduced to them by the PSX, they were also introduced to RPGs with FF7... actually I'm thankful to FF7 for introducing people who usually would not be caught dead near a console not only to videogames, but also to RPGs (I got to see many converts here in lala-land). <p>[PARAGRAPHNOTTOBETAKENSERIOUSLY]<br>...and just in case... DON'T even mentioned Saturn games, if I never saw the game on the game store shelves as far as I know it never existed!!!!!! *machiavellic laugh* YES! HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! <br>[/PARAGRAPHNOTTOBETAKENSERIOUSLY]

[Malakai]

I remember when Dragon Warrior, FFI, and PSI came out, respectively. Dragon Warrior was cool since never before had a game console come out with anything of the type. FFI was annoying because of the repetitiveness of it, although the fact that you could pick and choose your party redeemed it a little. Then there was PSI which was just awesome for its sheer innovation and brilliance of storyline and well, just about everything.<p>Now I and a friend of mine have always been RPGers ever since we were about 5-6, repsectively, so we are able to see the change in gaming technology and development. I was living in the states at the time when FFVII came out on the market, so we also saw the dramatic flux in video game purchasing. Suddenly, a genre of gaming that was previously considered as "boring" and "too difficult" by many people was now all the hype of home entertainment! This is not to say that the idiotic culture made it popular, but rather here was an RPG that was more appealing to the eye. As the story goes it was soon adapted to the PC, as was FFVIII later on. While the opinion in the hearts of RPG fans has always been that of a love/hate perspective toward these two games, the fact that remains is this: no RPGs have ever had so great success or effect on the world of RPG gaming as have those two, nothwithstanding all their flaws and weaknesses.

[Benoit]

<blockquote>And im sorry, you dont really have to interpret much in any of the PS games stories...its all pretty much spread out for you in a little bit different of a manner then FF....but you dont have to sit and become a PS scholar to interpret anything. This is a game, not shakespeare....wake up...</blockquote><br>If that would be true, we wouldn't be sitting here, discussing it. We wouldn't have debates like "Is the PD dead?", "Is the Old Man really Myau?", "Is the PD really evil?", "Why Motavians on Motavia and Dezolisians on Dezolis?", "What happened after PSII?", etc. etc.<br> <blockquote>Dont sit and throw accusations about me calling you out because of your view on xbox.......ill just bring up a few other things......you said seattle is home to tons of fat people....I dont even have to go any farther, that right there makes you an idiot in my book.</blockquote><br>Well, despite what you believe, it IS true.<br> <blockquote>I'm getting dissapointed that Benoit is cutting people down and attacking them once again.<p>Grand Inquisition with him, and his autism can't make up for this tastelessness.</blockquote><br>I thought you were also one of the people who thought that PSO-haters were idiots? Hmm?<br> <blockquote>Sega never had that sort of magazine action happening</blockquote><br>Except in France, where there was this awesome unofficial Sega magazine, called Mega Force. It rocked. Died shortly before the Dreamcast launch, it seems.<br> <blockquote>Also, if the very first game failed, why would the second game be made?</blockquote><br>Eh... The first Final Fantasy was a big hit in Japan, actually. Sold really well.

[Gipper]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by LaconianShot</i><p>PSIII is not a "cousin" to PS. That's simply an uneducated thought. I'll explain why.<br>Let's assume that you're pre-PSIV. You have no clue that PSIII doesn't fit into the context of PSII and PSIV. Now, isn't it logical, in this frame of mind, to say that PSIII fits perfectly? Why, yes it is! PSIII is a complete follow up to PSII. Whether it stays in Algol or not is irrelevant... it makes sense in it's place. It has just as much validity as PSIV. Think of PSII as a fork in the road... PSIII is one direction and PSIV is the other. One is a more direct sequel in terms of setting, but that does not make it any more valid. The only difference is that PSIV is the end of the series. <br></blockquote><p>I was referencing the fit into the ENTIRE story, not just PSIII vs. PSIV. If you look at the whole series, you should see that PSIV fits in after PSII a lot better than PSIII ever did.

[Malakai]

How do you figure? The ending of PSII was very open-ended and enigmatic. The story of PSIII as the remants of Palm picks up the chronology just as well as does the continuation of the story of the Protectors of Algol.

[Siren]

I agree. If you had put PSIV first before III, or even got rid of PSIII altogether, there would have been alot of confusion, not to meantion a gaping plot hole. <p>I mean, it's better to tie a loose end before the grand finale than to slap on a fate to the denizens of Palm <i>after</i> the series is finished. <p>Also, while slightly more obscure, this follow-up to PSII differentiates from a linear story-telling method; the writers have obviously tried to tell the story in a more vibranbt manner than.

[Gipper]

I think that there wouldnt have been a gaping plot hole. They would have had to cut out the wrecked ship in PSIV and said that Zio's army had destroyed Nayla. But most people could just assume that without PSIII that everyone had been killed on Palma.

[Malakai]

That would have made for a very poor chronological resolution regarding the people of Palm, which is a very signifant point of conclusion in the story of Algol. To emphasize my point, consider PSI. You begin your first of all the PSI quests on Palm, and interact mostly with the people thereon. Then in PSII you're transported to Motavia and without warning in the middle of the game Palm BLOWS UP and you have no idea what happened to the people that Alis & Co. had struggled to desparately to preserve. If the PS team hadn't let us know what had happened to the people of Palm, it would have been fundamentally bad story telling. Punto. "Assuming" just gets us into ambigious arguments that never hold any water nor satisfy the debating parties.

[Arkhan]

<blockquote>And im sorry, you dont really have to interpret much in any of the PS games stories...its all pretty much spread out for you in a little bit different of a manner then FF....but you dont have to sit and become a PS scholar to interpret anything. This is a game, not shakespeare....wake up...</blockquote><br>If that would be true, we wouldn't be sitting here, discussing it. We wouldn't have debates like "Is the PD dead?", "Is the Old Man really Myau?", "Is the PD really evil?", "Why Motavians on Motavia and Dezolisians on Dezolis?", "What happened after PSII?", etc. etc.<br> <blockquote>Dont sit and throw accusations about me calling you out because of your view on xbox.......ill just bring up a few other things......you said seattle is home to tons of fat people....I dont even have to go any farther, that right there makes you an idiot in my book.</blockquote><br>Well, despite what you believe, it IS true.<br> <blockquote>I'm getting dissapointed that Benoit is cutting people down and attacking them once again.<p>Grand Inquisition with him, and his autism can't make up for this tastelessness.</blockquote><br>I thought you were also one of the people who thought that PSO-haters were idiots? Hmm?<br> <blockquote>Sega never had that sort of magazine action happening</blockquote><br>Except in France, where there was this awesome unofficial Sega magazine, called Mega Force. It rocked. Died shortly before the Dreamcast launch, it seems.<br> <blockquote>Also, if the very first game failed, why would the second game be made?</blockquote><br>Eh... The first Final Fantasy was a big hit in Japan, actually. Sold really well.<p><blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><p> <br>If that would be true, we wouldn't be sitting here, discussing it. We wouldn't have debates like "Is the PD dead?", "Is the Old Man really Myau?", "Is the PD really evil?", "Why Motavians on Motavia and Dezolisians on Dezolis?", "What happened after PSII?", etc. etc.<br> <br>Well, despite what you believe, it IS true.<br> <br>I thought you were also one of the people who thought that PSO-haters were idiots? Hmm?<br> <br>Except in France, where there was this awesome unofficial Sega magazine, called Mega Force. It rocked. Died shortly before the Dreamcast launch, it seems.<br> <br>Eh... The first Final Fantasy was a big hit in Japan, actually. Sold really well.<br></blockquote><p>Well, it IS true that you are an idiot honestly. How can you ignorantly say a city is full of fat people. How would you like it if I said Belgium was full of fat people? It is, that is it exactly, Belgium is crawling with the obese, its so bad that theyre crawling at your door to eat you and your oversized ego. How do you like it.<p>Also, the reason people are discussing things like Motavians / Dezorians on their respective planets is, stupid....theyre there because its THEIR HOME PLANET, Deeurrff. What happened AFTER PS2? Sorry after PS2 doesnt count as being the story DURING the game. Of course you can speculate that, im talking about the actual story. Myau being the Old man isnt a key plot point to the story, so ....it doesnt pertain to my argument. You dont need to be a scholar to interpret the main happenings of the game.<p>Finally we're talking about the english version of FF if I recall correctly. Of course it did well in japan, if it didnt Square would be gone, hence the name Final Fantasy, last chance at success.......<br>--------------------------------------------*end*---------------------------------------------------------------------------------<p>Now, other things.....Dragon Warrior 1 was the first NES console RPG and personally....it IS a tad more fun then FF1 sometimes, and sometimes it isnt.....both are excessivley repetitive.....DW = Town ----->level------> get gear ---------> do something plot related, REPEAT......<p>FF1 ----> Town ------> level-----> gear------>dungeon------->town -----> get orb------> repeat. Basically....but for 8 bit, FF1 looks pretty, and has a nice musical score....and it is rather large for 8-bit......larger then DW1...........<p>PS1 still takes the cake for having such perfect graphics for 8 bit.......diverse characters., and ending cutscene that DIDNT suck for 8 bit......and plot diversity.....granted there was the whole level up/ buy stuff over and over thing.......but it was a new genre, they didnt know that was annoying yet!

[Gipper]

<blockquote>That would have made for a very poor chronological resolution regarding the people of Palm, which is a very signifant point of conclusion in the story of Algol.</blockquote> <p>Alis wanted to save everyone, and that includes people on Motavia and Dezolis. Plus, with the obvious mass immigration of Palmanians from Palma to Motavia (and Dezolis shortly after PSII), there were still plenty of folks walking around.<p>And even if these ships escaped, what bearing does it have on the main quest, destroying the PD? Some spaceship floating 1,000 years from Algo has no meaning to the story that is taking place at roughly the same time.