Anchored Dark Force

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

PSIV establishes that it is an exclusive offshoot of Profound Darkness. It doesn't matter if the Earthmen carried DF to Algo, it is still created by the same villain of the series. Get it right.

Dark Force is Profound Darkness' Tyler Durden. Just watch Fight Club for a better analogy on alter egos.

[BenoitRen]

Time loop theories are automatically rejected due to the ambiguous nature of PSIII, so pick a different argument, Benoit.

You're assuming that I'm basing that on the time loop theory, which I'm not. When you open Pandora's box, the following is said:

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! This is Pandora's box! It contains all that is evil, all that you call the dark force! This is a present from our world to all of you! Take it!

"our world" obviously being Earth. This piece of script also makes the box itself canon.

The Japanese and English scripts say the same bloody thing, so you don't have a leg to stand on there. Dark Force is exclusive to the Profound Darkness.

Yes, they both say that Dark Force is a manifestation of the Profound Darkness' hate. It's especially clear in the Japanese script. I very much have a leg to stand on. You just don't want to see it.

Explain to me how it would work otherwise. Explain to me how there could be an extra Dark Force centuries before PSII (because the PSI cycle's has been defeated by Alis and co.). Explain to me why and how it would venture light years away from Algol to give Earth a visit.

Why Dark Force would hide in a box?

Beats me. I don't pretend to know its thinking process. We both know that it's mostly like that as a story-telling device.

Not only that, Mother Brain was in charge of Algo for a long time, but only really started going crazy relatively recently...long enough for Dark Force to infect and corrupt her.

It looks like you missed the entire point of PSII, Mother Brain, and Lutz' final speech. Mother Brain was evil from the very start. She got an entire solar system to depend on her for everything, and she terra-formed an entire planet to what she thought was needed. It doesn't matter if she was perceived as benevolent for centuries. Evil is very patient, and time was needed to weaken society and get everything in place.

Also, Rolf had obviously already been to Paseo, so yes, it still counts.

You mean it should have been possible to teleport from Paseo to Paseo? What are you talking about?

It's possible he tore the host apart in surprise, or discarded it because the host no longer had a purpose. The Governor of Motavia would have remained useful had DF won PS1, so that may be why the guv survives and Seth does not.

This would defeat your entire argument that Dark Force needs a host to remain in Algol and do his evil.

And yes, it's a video game. It also means false leads are planted, so you can't depend on that.

Seriously? You might as well question every line in the entire game, then. We wouldn't get anywhere if we did that.

PSIV establishes that it is an exclusive offshoot of Profound Darkness.

Except it doesn't state that at all. You get it right. Nowhere is it stated that Dark Force is exclusive to the Profound Darkness. You're making a logical error when reading the script.

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

Everyone was saying in PSIV "where did Dark Force come from?" and Le Roof's genesis speech pretty much supports my argument.

Profound Darkness used the Earthmen as pawns in PSII. Why would they destroy Parma in the first place?

I win.

[BenoitRen]

And I said that Le Roof's speech supports mine. We're going in circles.

Why the Earthmen would destroy Palma? Easy! To get rid of the central government, which was on that planet. It makes conquering Motavia so much easier.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter if the Earthmen did that because of Dark Force or not. It doesn't change what I'm saying.

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

And I said that Le Roof's speech supports mine. We're going in circles.

Why the Earthmen would destroy Palma? Easy! To get rid of the central government, which was on that planet. It makes conquering Motavia so much easier.

Le Roof said that the PD was involved in that era. So obviously, it means that they've been manipulated by the ultimate villain of the original series.

And yes it does, Benny. You lost.

[BenoitRen]

Actually, the Japanese script says:

During the previous battle, Dark Force destroyed the planet Palma.

The Earthmen being manipulated by Dark Force or not doesn't change anything about where it came from.

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

Actually, the Japanese script says:

During the previous battle, Dark Force destroyed the planet Palma.

The Earthmen being manipulated by Dark Force or not doesn't change anything about where it came from.

Obviously Dark Force travelled to earth or summat.

[BenoitRen]

And where would that Dark Force have come from? If we are to accept the millennial cycle as the only source of Dark Forces, there was none between the original Phantasy Star and Phantasy Star II.

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

And where would that Dark Force have come from? If we are to accept the millennial cycle as the only source of Dark Forces, there was none between the original Phantasy Star and Phantasy Star II.

If Dark Force can travel from planet to planet, what would stop it from going to another solar system?

[BenoitRen]

That's not an answer to my question. Please read it again.

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

That's not an answer to my question. Please read it again.

What question? You think DF is something non-exclusive. You've been proven wrong. Replay PSIV over and over - the fact is there for people to see.

Or watch Fight Club. It's kinda similar.

[carlsojos]

And where would that Dark Force have come from?

That is the question Benoit posited, and in reference to statements that indicate only one Dark Force can enter per 1,000 years. Indeed, the fact that there were 3 in PSIV was supposedly because the seal was weakened from the destruction of Parma. While I don't remember the scripts at all, I think the earth dudes supposedly claimed that they had their own Dark Force that they accepted because they saw it as the manifestation of their own evils. Peaguy has a valid point about DF possibly being able to traverse such long distances, and I suggest that perhaps Earth's DF and our Jack-in-the-box may be one in the same; DF might've put himself in that box knowing that whatever would be willing to attack him would likely be treasure hunting on the side (he might've taken notes when Alis was around). That would simultaneously support him being in a box and being anchored to multiple hosts- lots and lots of hosts would mean that on an individual level they wouldn't be quite as corrupt as, say, Lassic.

[BenoitRen]

*sighs* Are you actually trying to debate, or are you going to keep avoiding responding to points and questions to keep repeating the same thing?

The question was, and I quote: "And where would that Dark Force have come from?". I then eloborated on the background of that question.

I have not been proven wrong at all, contrary to your belief. Repeating that won't make it true.

[Zucca]

See also:

• http://pscave.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2779
• http://pscave.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2455

[Zucca]

When you open Pandora's box, the following is said:

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! This is Pandora's box! It contains all that is evil, all that you call the dark force! This is a present from our world to all of you! Take it!

"our world" obviously being Earth.

I've always thought that "our world" is more the dimension where dark force came rather than the Earth.