Why not Phantasy Star?

[Benoit]

<blockquote>nope nope nope Benoit. you wouldn't say those things if PSO was called Something Something Online instead.<p>PSO doesn't represent 100% of Phantasy Star's quality.<br>only like maybe 50%.</blockquote><br>More ignorance.<br> <blockquote>I've not gotten personal, but you have. So here it goes.</blockquote><br>Personal? I'm just irritated at your blatant ignorance.<br> <blockquote>If you like the game, then more power to you. You get what you want..all 3 episodes of PSO, and probobly many more versions just like it to come.</blockquote><br>Which goes to prove more of your ignorance, because PSO Episode III is a different game than the first two episodes.<br> <blockquote>So go ahead and level up your character all day long it that makes you feel lke you're playing an RPG.</blockquote><br>RPG = role-playing game<br>I'm role-playing my character. More than your average RPG.<br> <blockquote>But don't talk about the compelling story of PSO like it's The Godfather or something. You probobly thought Star Wars; Episode 1 was awesome too.</blockquote><br>And here we have the top of the ignorance about PSO; talking about its story like you knew it, yet you don't...<br>I challenge you to read the 574 kB of PSO script, or, you know, ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION to the story and the game, and then still come back saying that the plot and the story suck.<br>By the way, I watched both movies you mentioned. The Godfather wasn't that good a movie, and Star Wars: Episode I was okay.

[ROMeo]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Kars!</i><br>i think Sega lost a lot not making a ps on saturn! <br></blockquote><p>Regarding that you're right, if we had seen a Saturn surrounded by Sega's classics the console's luck could have been a little bit different. Not that they would have been able to beat $ony anyway, but at least the massive exodus of disapointed ex-fans wouldn't have hit say, 99.999999999% of their audience.<p>Actually, my opinion is that they didn't do a PS on Saturn for the same reason there was no Sonic for the Saturn (racing games DON'T count so don't mention Sonic R), said reason is: they KNEW they wouldn't be able to make any of their classics justice on a console as lacking in power as the Saturn, they tried with Shinobi and all they did was killing the title, so they stopped (not that even the Play$tation's specs would have sufficed for making something worthy of Sonic anyway). I know many of you will say that even 2D versions of their classics would have been better than no classics at all, but then staying on 2D would have marked them as unable to evolve in the eyes of the masses and doomed the company (as it happened to SNK). <p>Personally I'm glad they waited to have a console with the necessary power to put together their vision of how a 3D Sonic should have been without sacrificing a single pixel as they had it on their minds (and SA 1 wasn't exactly to my satisfaction either, it was SA 2 that made me forget&forgive).

[Kars!]

but when shall they made a new PS ? ( yes , only P S )

[ROMeo]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Kars!</i><br>but when shall they made a new PS ? ( yes , only P S )<br></blockquote><p>If my prayers are listened to, never. As I already mentioned in my former post please let a good ending stay a good ending. Don't force Sir Arthur Conan Doyle to resurrect Sherlock again.

[Jamesfnquinn]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><p>I challenge you to read the 574 kB of PSO script, or, you know, ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION to the story and the game, and then still come back saying that the plot and the story suck.<br>By the way, I watched both movies you mentioned. The Godfather wasn't that good a movie, and Star Wars: Episode I was okay.<br></blockquote><p>LMAO- Dude, are you like 12 years old???..anyone who says Star Wars Episode 1 was okay, and The Godfather wasn't that good; is someone I'm definitely not taking reading recomendations from.<br>You like PSO. Fine. It's your right, just don't put the cripler-crossface on me for disagreeing.

[gm2987]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Kars!</i><p>but when shall they made a new PS ? ( yes , only P S )<br></blockquote><br>Thats up to the fans like myself ^_^

[Gipper]

To relate, many people say the same about Metroid Prime and Metroid Fusion:<p>"Wahhhh, it doesn't fit!"<br>"Wahhhh, it sucks!"<p>PSO doesn't really fit into the spectrum of the real PS games for sure. But a MMORPG that doesn't involve lots of dungeons and little else will not get very far. Metroid is the same way. Fusion really doesn't fit into the Metroid story, but it is there, and we have to appreciate it as a game, and not just as a Metroid game. The same could be said of Prime, though to a lesser extent, given that Prime fits into the story. In any shift from system to system (NES-GB-SNES-GBA/GC or SMS-GENS-PC), changes have to be made in how the game looks, feels, and plays. The real drastic changes in Fusion and PSO weren't necessary, but that doesn't make them any less of a game. Fusion, in fact, is my third favorite GB game of all time (Metroid 2 and Kirby 2 are 1 and 2). But it is dead last on my Metroid list.

[Benoit]

<blockquote>racing games DON'T count so don't mention Sonic R</blockquote><br>It's still a Sonic game, and one that does it justice. When it came out, it was the most beautiful game on BOTH the Saturn and PSX.<br>Just because the Saturn is difficult to program doesn't mean you can't make good games for it.<br> <blockquote>LMAO- Dude, are you like 12 years old???..anyone who says Star Wars Episode 1 was okay, and The Godfather wasn't that good; is someone I'm definitely not taking reading recomendations from.</blockquote><br>How closed-minded. Tastes and experiences vary.<br>You're most likely a Star Wars purist who expected too much from Episode I.<br>And I don't like The Godfather mostly because I don't enjoy maffia stories.<br>I have watched both movies.<p>However, you don't even know what you are talking about, as you have never payed attention to the game's story. I'll say it again: there are 574 kB worth of script waiting for you.<p>Get a clue.

[Malakai]

Do you need a hug Benoit? <p>I'm sure Jamesfnquinn would love to give you one, since he needs one too. #)

[Jamesfnquinn]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Malakai</i><p>Do you need a hug Benoit? <p>I'm sure Jamesfnquinn would love to give you one, since he needs one too. #) <br></blockquote><p>Yeah, Benoit. I need a hug. (Spreads arms) = )

[SkymanDr]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><br>However, you don't even know what you are talking about, as you have never payed attention to the game's story. I'll say it again: there are 574 kB worth of script waiting for you.<br></blockquote><p>Read it, it's carp. A bit harsh maybe, rather I wasn't impressed at all. Bits of intriguing story here and there, but nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing in there motivating the use of the Phantasy Star brand for PSO. It may be a good game, if you enjoy dugeon hacking and 3d-chat rooms(PSOIII excluded), but it just isn't a continuation of the franchise and therefore not a true PS-game.

[Gipper]

PS was nice and tied-up after PSIV, except for a few loose ends. Why then, did they go about making a new part of it, especially if it is nearly unconnected to the first four PS's. Even PSIII was more attached than PSO is.

[Jamesfnquinn]

What I find funny about this whole conversation is: I played PSO from beginning to end...but I have to read the script to appreciate the story? Isn't that just a sign of a bad game, anyway? I mean, the script should actually come through in a coherent way throught the course of playing the game, right?

[Benoit]

<blockquote>Do you need a hug Benoit?<p>I'm sure Jamesfnquinn would love to give you one, since he needs one too. </blockquote><br>What kind of craptalk is that?<br> <blockquote>Read it, it's carp. A bit harsh maybe, rather I wasn't impressed at all. Bits of intriguing story here and there, but nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing in there motivating the use of the Phantasy Star brand for PSO.</blockquote><br>Then you didn't truly read it. As much intrigue as PSII in there. The story has the same dark themes.<br><i>Especially</i> PSO: Episode III.<br> <blockquote>It may be a good game, if you enjoy dugeon hacking and 3d-chat rooms(PSOIII excluded), but it just isn't a continuation of the franchise and therefore not a true PS-game.</blockquote><br>The most common and closed-minded arguement of the purist.<br>OMG itz nut Algol it sux0rz!!!!!!!!!!!!!111<p>PSIV tied the story up nicely, and you would like them to destroy that?<br>PSO did it right. It established a new Phantasy Star world instead. Saying that a Phantasy Star game should always take place in Algol is stupid.<br> <blockquote>PS was nice and tied-up after PSIV, except for a few loose ends. Why then, did they go about making a new part of it, especially if it is nearly unconnected to the first four PS's. Even PSIII was more attached than PSO is.</blockquote><br>Because it's a NEW STORYLINE, Mike Ripp! Not a continuation.<br> <blockquote>What I find funny about this whole conversation is: I played PSO from beginning to end...but I have to read the script to appreciate the story? Isn't that just a sign of a bad game, anyway? I mean, the script should actually come through in a coherent way throught the course of playing the game, right?</blockquote><br>So you're a Final Fantasy fanboy, who should be fed every detail of the story like a baby, without effort?<br>If you actually took the time to read Rico's messages and play through the various quests, you would be able to puzzle a story together and interpret it.

[SkymanDr]

Purist am I? I guess that is a compliment.<p>I'm sorry that you get so upset about this Benoit. I am only expressing my opinion, I am not trying to flame you. I too played PSO from beginning to end, and what I saw was nothing of what made PS great. What I found was a monster bash with a story that is badly presented and not overwhelmingly good (again disregarding PSOIII, which I have not played, nor am I planning to). Crap was an overstatement, I apologise (I felt a sudden urge to quote Marvin...).<p>You say that <i>"The story has the same dark themes"</i>, but that is not what I demand from a PS-game. Nor am I content wit ha few references in the form of names of objects etc. It would seem that you have very much put your finger on the core of our disagreement when you, somwhat childishly, say <i>"OMG itz nut Algol it sux0rz!!!!!!!!!!!!!111"</i>. What I expect of a game bearing the name Phantasy Star is for it to concern Algol, or the decendants thereof. It doesn't have to take place in Algol but to leave it out without as much as a motif appears to me to be utterly stupid. That is exactly the main point that makes me regard it as somthing other than a part of the franchise. The reason is neither that it is a game with a gameplay not suitable to my preferences, nor that it has a story which does not intrigue me. <p>What I ask is this: If you are to create a new storyline, not connected at all with the prevoius, then what is the point of keeping the name? <i>"Because it's a NEW STORYLINE"</i> can never be an excuse for what is done only with the intent of making more money using a well know name - exploiting the fans desires for more.<p>What I really like about PS is that the games are all connected, unlike the FF-series. PSO ruins this and I see no reason to see it as canonical. Sure, PSIV tied up the story nicely, but you could start off a new storyarc without disregarding all of the previous history.<p>Please be more courteous in future posts, if for no other reason than the fact that in the long run no-one will take you seriously seriously if you keep calling them or their opinions stupid when they are not identical to yours.<br><p>[size=small][Edit by SkymanDr on [TIME]1109357035[/TIME]][/size]